come on dude. seriously?
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Protests in Iran
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I had a Chief DC instructor at SWOS who was a DC2 on Sammy B during the mine hit. He had stories to tell and a photo album to pass around of the damage. "Good DC" doesn't even come close...that boat was damn near split in half. No other ships could come to their assistance because of fears they were in a minefield, so they had to crawl out of there on their APU's, knowing another hit would finish them off.
He got our attention.
So, having said that, this is all pretty remarkable in Iran. This is not a country known for freedom of expression, and to have people turn out in droves like this means people are seriously pissed.
Whatever happens next, this is really going to shake things up there in the Islamic Republic.
He got our attention.
So, having said that, this is all pretty remarkable in Iran. This is not a country known for freedom of expression, and to have people turn out in droves like this means people are seriously pissed.
Whatever happens next, this is really going to shake things up there in the Islamic Republic.
"So, having said that, this is all pretty remarkable in Iran. This is not a country known for freedom of expression, and to have people turn out in droves like this means people are seriously pissed.
Whatever happens next, this is really going to shake things up there in the Islamic Republic. "
Hopefully they won't look to external actions as a way to unite/distract the populace.
Whatever happens next, this is really going to shake things up there in the Islamic Republic. "
Hopefully they won't look to external actions as a way to unite/distract the populace.
Good column on possible results. I suspect that Mousavi will end up with a position in the government.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1905356-1,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1905356-1,00.html
Have you been watching the news today? Three news channels on at work and all three devoted more than half of their coverage to the protests, in particular the young woman that was killed in the video you linked.
Good point Flash...I hadn't watched much today (US Open)...I'll fix my post...
Ahmadinejad's press conference, where he surprisingly takes (but doesn't answer) some tough questions.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2145.htm
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2145.htm
Give me a break. During the cold war we helped depose a (yes, elected) corrupt, crazy, socialist PM that was on his way to destabilizing Iran and kicking out the westerners that knew how to exploit Iran's natural resources. Because there was no other better option, the Shah got our support, along with the support of other western countries. That was a very long time ago. If helping to depose a national leader and/or supporting a dictator during the cold war was reason to hate the U.S. forever, to the detriment of your country, then a hell of a lot of other countries should be acting just like Iran today, starting with Viet Nam, Chile, virtually all of Central American, and others. Actually, most Iranians like the U.S. The government sponsored hate of the U.S. is based on our support of Israel, illogic and certain lies.
You're right that there are many reasons for the Iranian people/government to hate us, but I wouldn't downplay the role of our ousting of Mossadegh and support of Reza Shah - an equally corrupt and harsh dictator. Let's not pretend we got rid of Mossadegh for philanthropic reasons. We didn't give a rat's ass about the Iranian people in that calculus. Ultimately, the righteousness of our numerous Cold War anti-democratic policies, where we chose to support brutal dictators, can be debated; the justification behind the hatred of the countless people we screwed in the process can not.
Brett
Well, I believe it can. The vast majority of Iranians today have no memory of Mossadegh, good or bad. Of those that know anything about that time, virtually no one today had a stake in the aftermath. As I said, the US did much of the same in many other places. Why have those peoples gotten beyond it, hold little animus toward the US and are usually better off in most any way calculable then Iranians are today? Off the top of my head, I can't think of another country where we meddled, that supposedly hates us so. And some cases were not much different then Iran in the '50s. Again, lets get the state of affairs right. Most individual Iranians love Americans and like the US. I believe the Iranian in the street has gotten beyond our cold war meddling. Any supposed residual hate for the Mossadegh affair, or support for the Shah directed at the US is perpetuate by the Iranian government to suit their foreign policy and domestic interests. You don't see the US perpetuating hate and anger over the Embassy take over and hostage crisis. You don't see Americans arguing that Iran not make statements about US internal politics because they have history. They indiscriminately laid mines during the Iran Iraq war. They support terrorism, they have supported people and organizations that have killed Americans in Iraq, they attempt at every turn to destabilize the region, but the Americans are the ones with the unsavory past, ancient past, that requires us to understand their institutional hatred of us. No sir, the institutional Iranian hatred of American for our cold war actions is no longer justified, especially given their more recent history.
It is. You get so used to watching that crap on TV and movies, you get desensitized to it. Until you see it for real like that.
That is the problem with main stream media. They will not show anything that shocking...when they showed this on TV they blurred out her face. That totally abrogated the impact of her death. I probably watched this video 4 or 5 times, made my wife see it, and lost sleep that night thinking about this girl. It struck home because of how personal and intimate the shot was when she lapsed into unconsciousness before she died.
The TV we get here tends to be sanitized, and I believe that is an injustice to us as consumers of this information.
We should see the world as it is, not filtered, and "prettied up" for the 8 o' clock news.