He was hot and a little nervous. It was his first flight and it went better than we thought it would (a lot better). I'm just glad he didn't start every call with, "Annnd..."
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Random Griz Aviation Musings
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He was hot and a little nervous. It was his first flight and it went better than we thought it would (a lot better). I'm just glad he didn't start every call with, "Annnd..."
Airplane Category PIC time building weekend XC for @PEPfromage with yours truly! We went to N05 - Hackettstown NJ - 2000' x 50' smack on the edge of the POTUS Golf TFR. Stopped at Bedford County PA (KHMZ) along the way for inevitable "bladder full" light.
441 NM!
@PEPfromage hard at work
@ChuckMK23 at the N05 airport "terminal" - no TSA line, no KCM entrance.
Parking the aircraft for a safe RON
Departing the TFR outer ring was easy peasy - a quick phone call to NY TRACON prior to departure, a discrete squawk in hand and we were on our way home Sunday.
@PEPfromage logged a nice 9.0 of PIC ASEL.
441 NM!
@PEPfromage hard at work
@ChuckMK23 at the N05 airport "terminal" - no TSA line, no KCM entrance.
Parking the aircraft for a safe RON
Departing the TFR outer ring was easy peasy - a quick phone call to NY TRACON prior to departure, a discrete squawk in hand and we were on our way home Sunday.
@PEPfromage logged a nice 9.0 of PIC ASEL.
Does he call FACSFAC twice? "Giantkiller, Giantkiller, DOG03..."
"Relief tube too short" - A799Range extender-
It's insidious. And it's a thing for local CTAF with the HEMS guys, too. I can't figure out where it comes from because it seems like it's both gold wing guys and others, but not everyone. Look, if you're telling me you're landing at Hospital X, then I probably have a good idea of what city you're making the call for and you don't need to say said city 4+ times in your call.
Or the mundane "request airport advisory" call over CTAF when there is a perfectly good AWOS in service..... ugh!
I never understood why everyone insisted on calling FACSFAC multiple times but everyone else we just called like normal. I used to try and beat it out of guys but then they'd fly with someone else and get yelled at for not saying it twice. ?
Sad to say but that one is in the Primary FTI. It is vaguely grounded in reality, in the sense that whoever is at the FBO with a tabletop radio supposedly has an FCC license to be legal to talk on the thing. So technically you're asking the radio station operator for advisories on stuff like a proverbial NORDO light plane in the pattern, whichever runway is favored by the winds or what the calm wind runway is if that happens to be the case, or whatever else.
But yeah, it's rarely anything but pointless chatter.
Someone please point the CNATRA dude in charge of the Primary FTI to the FAA AC
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_pol...fm/go/document.information/documentID/1032988
Yeah, I always assumed that call was a request for additional info beyond what AWOS could give you.
But most GA comms become pointless chatter pretty quickly.
I can't speak to GIANTKILLER, but for SEALORD, you'd have to call them 10 times just to get them to answer, and that's even after they put the new repeater out on the point at Mayport. I also could never understand the "Report crossing the ADIZ," call. Knowing we would lose comms pretty regularly at about the point of the ADIZ, I'd always call early, which of course would result in a "Call us in 3 miles when crossing the ADIZ." So if you know where I am....? It was explained to me by one of the OICs that they can't request a squawk from DC until we're at the ADIZ, which I don't buy for a moment.
I think they just generally loathed dealing with helos.
I'm guessing the FTI has it just as a hold-over from years ago when it was an accepted call (and before anyone would thrust the AIM in your face for making the call). It also seems like FBOs were much more willing to come on the radio back in the day then they are now, probably because of all of the data available to someone in a cockpit now.
Then again, even if you are landing the right way, you still need to actually listen to the radio, which seems to be what didn't happen for the Piper here (based on prelim info):
“Hey Billy you in the air?”
“Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh....yep I’m up over...uhhhhhhhhhhhhh....Orange.”
“You flyin’ the Skylane?”
“Uhhhhhhhhhhh....nope.......I’m uhhhhhhhhhhh....in the Bonanza.”
Like that? Yes, this is an actual conversation from last weekend.
When I got back into flying the instructor I had only gave me one bit of advice...”Never, ever, pause on the threshold of an uncontrolled airfield.” Pretty good advice.