Reefer Jacket

[fc2spyguy]

I wasn't making a bad voodoo argument (a la brown boots and leather jackets). Just saying that if 100 other guys can stand the cold, you can too.

Take the cash and spend it on a constructive hobby of your choice

I'd rather be warm, than try to look tough. There is a fine line between tough and stupid (or cheap in this case).

 

[SynixMan]

I saw many a NROTC Mid wearing only SDBs when it was -10* plus a nice wind at Marquette in Milwaukee. I asked one as he was warming up inside one day why he didn't have a jacket. "*shrug* We don't get issued them". I felt bad for his ears and fingers...

 

[Kyoowashugi]

You'd think it was a money thing, but I was asked by our supply tech today what uniform items I felt like spending the rest of our FY allowance on...something on the order of $6k left over...

 

[CommodoreMid]

Ugh. NROTC and it's overwhelming desire to take "uniformity" to a retarded level. It always blows my mind that people get so bent if one guy wants to have a jacket on. Maybe that one guy is colder than everyone else.

It always makes me laugh a little when I'd reflect on my ROTC unit's desire for uniformity when standing in "formation" for quarters in the fleet. Pilots and AWs in flightsuits. Some Os wearing ballcaps, some wearing piss-cutters. Maybe someone in AWGs. Chiefs and LDOs in khakis or NWUs. Sailors in NWUs, dress uniforms, or coveralls all at the same time. And NO ONE cared. It was amazing.

If you're cold and like the look of the reefer go for it. Both thhe Ike and the all weather coat look like shit. The reefer looks a lot sharper. And if that matters, spend the cash.

On a related note, I can't for the life of me figure out why the Navy doesn't have an authorized trench coat. The Marines have one and it looks very sharp and professional.

For awhile (with my first AMOI) everyone had to be exactly the same all the time. That meant if it was 25 degrees out and we were PTing and that one jackass who is never cold didn't bring his sweats, everyone else had to take them off too. I swore one day I was going to show up naked so everyone else would have to take off their clothes too :icon_smil :bigeyes_1

 

[Kyoowashugi]

For awhile (with my first AMOI) everyone had to be exactly the same all the time. That meant if it was 25 degrees out and we were PTing and that one jackass who is never cold didn't bring his sweats, everyone else had to take them off too. I swore one day I was going to show up naked so everyone else would have to take off their clothes too :icon_smil :bigeyes_1

We've got the same thing going right now...the fight right now is whether or not we should continue to spend money on reflective belts for Navy Options despite the fact that our PT gear is now both yellow and reflective. The only argument that comes up in favor of the belts is uniformity...but we're wearing different uniforms...?!

 

[PropAddict]

On a related note, I can't for the life of me figure out why the Navy doesn't have an authorized trench coat. The Marines have one and it looks very sharp and professional.

Is the black one with the flap that covers the buttons not authorized anymore? The gore tex one with the gold buttons is terrible, but the older plain black one with the epaulets is pretty money.

 

[Kyoowashugi]

Is the black one with the flap that covers the buttons not authorized anymore? The gore tex one with the gold buttons is terrible, but the older plain black one with the epaulets is pretty money.

Is the older black one the all-weather coat? I think it's pretty crappy, honestly...

 

[usmarinemike]

For awhile (with my first AMOI) everyone had to be exactly the same all the time. That meant if it was 25 degrees out and we were PTing and that one jackass who is never cold didn't bring his sweats, everyone else had to take them off too. I swore one day I was going to show up naked so everyone else would have to take off their clothes too :icon_smil :bigeyes_1

That's a pretty extreme example, but some degree of that is standard over a large portion of the Marine Corps; especially in training commands. I hate it, but that's the way it is, and prior to commissioning I also enforced it to a certain degree. Military uniformity and discipline is by it's nature inherently anal. You have to try to make it not so. Anybody remember that legendary pic of the AF Reserve unit picture with 9 different uniforms and one fat colonel with her hands in her pockets?

 

[CommodoreMid]

We've got the same thing going right now...the fight right now is whether or not we should continue to spend money on reflective belts for Navy Options despite the fact that our PT gear is now both yellow and reflective. The only argument that comes up in favor of the belts is uniformity...but we're wearing different uniforms...?!

I saw somewhere here last week a local instruction that governed this same thing. At least here at Jax (can't remember if it was a VP-30 or NAS one that I just saw) that said since the shirt is reflective individuals don't have to wear a reflective belt.

I understand the whole desire for uniformity, but somewhere common sense has to prevail. Yeah it's one thing to have 9 different uniforms in a formation, but if there's not an inspection going on or something and everyone is in the same basic uniform, why not allow optional items like jackets and what not by some if circumstances suggest that wearing them is a good idea?

 

[phrogpilot73]

That's a pretty extreme example, but some degree of that is standard over a large portion of the Marine Corps; especially in training commands. I hate it, but that's the way it is, and prior to commissioning I also enforced it to a certain degree. Military uniformity and discipline is by it's nature inherently anal. You have to try to make it not so. Anybody remember that legendary pic of the AF Reserve unit picture with 9 different uniforms and one fat colonel with her hands in her pockets?

Wait until you get to a fleet squadron. Coveralls, Cammies, and flight suits all in the same formation. And if you've got a new check-in - he'll be the guy in formation in Alphas.

 

[usmarinemike]

Wait until you get to a fleet squadron. Coveralls, Cammies, and flight suits all in the same formation. And if you've got a new check-in - he'll be the guy in formation in Alphas.

I know. That's why I didn't say it was anal all over the Marine Corps. Some communities just don't have time to put ass bleeding detail into their weekend safety brief formation.

 

[Kyoowashugi]

I understand the whole desire for uniformity, but somewhere common sense has to prevail.

Agreed. If I have a budget crunch and can afford either khaki web belts or glow belts, right now I would have to choose glow belts despite the fact that 80% of the battalion doesn't need them. In the meantime, we'd have cammies around knees. Zawhaaaa?

 

[Pags]

That's a pretty extreme example, but some degree of that is standard over a large portion of the Marine Corps; especially in training commands. I hate it, but that's the way it is, and prior to commissioning I also enforced it to a certain degree. Military uniformity and discipline is by it's nature inherently anal. You have to try to make it not so. Anybody remember that legendary pic of the AF Reserve unit picture with 9 different uniforms and one fat colonel with her hands in her pockets?

Like I said earlier, this is retarded. If everyone is wearing an approved uniform, then everyone is uniform. I can understand having everyone in the same uniform for certain occasions (dress uniforms for change of command, etc). But, everyday is NOT a parade in the real world.

While the pic of the fat AF Colonel was nasty, they were all wearing approved uniforms (I'd imagine. I know nothing of AF regs).

 

[NavAir42]

Wow, this thread makes the NROTC unit I went to look down right enlightened. If it was cold, you wore a jacket. If you were PTing outside and you were cold you could wear your sweats, like the ones that were issued to you. If someone showed up to PT while it was freezing out wearing only the shirt and shorts he was laughed at for being an idiot and/or Marine. The insanity was not forced upon everyone else. We were even issued a peacoat if you wanted one and we didn't life in a "things fall off" cold place.

I think the only time exact uniformity was enforced was during inspections and certain events, but that's well within the limits of common sense.

 

[teabag53]

I know. That's why I didn't say it was anal all over the Marine Corps. Some communities just don't have time to put ass bleeding detail into their weekend safety brief formation.

It isn't really an issue of not having time... It IS an issue of keeping aircraft maintained and getting work done IOT meet the flight schedule. Maintenance is a 24-hour operation and it is retarded to hinder those guys any more than necessary.