Repercussions of dropping PLC, and eligible to apply for NAVY,ANG while in PLC?

[bronco0623]

Ok, heres the scoop. The OSO told me there are no more air contracts for this year, and he recommends I sign for PLC with a NFO slot with the gurantee of getting a pilot slot when I come back from OCS the first year. All in a perfect world right? Heres my question, lets say this guy is bull shitting me, or he actually is not and I just don't get a pilot slot because of lack of slots, I can just drop out of PLC with zero repercussions? Could I then apply for NAVY/ ANG without a dink in my resume saying I did that? In my mind, it is a valid reason to drop. I know I am an officer first, but lets be real, would Tom Brady be a back up QB or a kicker for the Pats if he could start as QB (the position he dreamed of playing since a kid) for the Jets? Still a football player trying to win a championship, but he's is actually doing what he is best at and what he wants to do, which in turn makes the whole team better. Getting a NFO slot as opposed to a pilot slot is same thing in my mind. I think it would be a valid explanation and shouldnt hurt my status, but then again thats why I am on this forum seeking advice.

Also, could I interview with ANG units my junior/senior year of college if I am currently enrolled in PLC or is that illegal? I know in AFROTC dudes could interview with ANG units to try and get hired as opposed to active duty AF. Just curious if I can and keeping my options open. Thanks in advance.

 

[jtmedli]

Ok, heres the scoop. The OSO told me there are no more air contracts for this year, and he recommends I sign for PLC with a NFO slot with the gurantee of getting a pilot slot when I come back from OCS the first year. All in a perfect world right? Heres my question, lets say this guy is bull shitting me, or he actually is not and I just don't get a pilot slot because of lack of slots, I can just drop out of PLC with zero repercussions? Could I then apply for NAVY/ ANG without a dink in my resume saying I did that? In my mind, it is a valid reason to drop. I know I am an officer first, but lets be real, would Tom Brady be a back up QB or a kicker for the Pats if he could start as QB (the position he dreamed of playing since a kid) for the Jets? Still a football player trying to win a championship, but he's is actually doing what he is best at and what he wants to do, which in turn makes the whole team better. Getting a NFO slot as opposed to a pilot slot is same thing in my mind. I think it would be a valid explanation and shouldnt hurt my status, but then again thats why I am on this forum seeking advice.

Also, could I interview with ANG units my junior/senior year of college if I am currently enrolled in PLC or is that illegal? I know in AFROTC dudes could interview with ANG units to try and get hired as opposed to active duty AF. Just curious if I can and keeping my options open. Thanks in advance.

The other thread that you already replied to pretty much answered the question for you. Secondly, NFOs are not "backup QBs" to a pilot. There's a legitimate reason that two seats are better than one.

If you're in AFROTC, then that staying there is your best option of becoming a pilot. You can interview with whoever you like or want to, but you'll probably be much better if you quit trying to play the entire field for all it's worth and focus on kicking ass where you're already at.

 

[Reconjoe]

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[Swanee]

On the other hand- if you want to be a pilot don't sign an NFO contract. An NFO contract guarantees you an NFO slot once you get through OCS, TBS, and API. If you want to fly the airplane and be at the controls and know you won't be happy sitting in the back and running the systems then don't waste your time.

I would apply to everyone. Pledge the Air Guard, talk with the AD Navy and AF. If the OSO doesn't have a pilot slot you can always tell him that you would rather wait until one is available. It's your career, don't let someone stovepipe you into doing something you don't want to do at the very beginning of it.

 

[bronco0623]

I'm assuming you were a backup QB in High School huh? nahh im kidding. What I meant by that is "Tom Brady" wouldn't be doing what he dreamed of doing, didnt mean to give the perception that NFO's are backup QB's, because they're not. I couldn't have said "What if Tom Brady was middle line backer or Safety" because that would have just been dumb...

And regarding the other post, only one dude answered my question pertaining to the repercussions, and he said "maybe". Looking for an answer from someone who either A) knows someone who has done it(dropped PLC and gone with guard or NAVY, or interviewed with ANG while in PLC) B) switched from NFO to NA after they got back from PLC, or has heard of it being done and the process of how it is done.

And for the record, I'm not all for the AF anymore. Chance of picking up UAV's?? FU** THAT.

 

[ea6bflyr]

Wow, you are off to a poor start.

Welcome to AirWarriors.

Now remove your head from your ass, and your foot from your mouth, then sack up and make a decision. If you want to be a pilot, then wait for a pilot PLC slot. It may be a LONG wait, but if that's all you want, then wait. Your OSO might be trying to help you and you may never get a shot at serving in the Corps.

What will you do if you are found NPQ for Pilot? I certainly don't want you as an NFO with your self-serving attitude based on zero experience & flight hours.

Good luck with your adventure.

-ea6bflyr

 

[bronco0623]

Wow, you are off to a poor start.

Welcome to AirWarriors.

Now remove your head from your ass, and your foot from your mouth, then sack up and make a decision. If you want to be a pilot, then wait for a pilot PLC slot. It may be a LONG wait, but if that's all you want, then wait. Your OSO might be trying to help you and you may never get a shot at serving in the Corps.

What will you do if you are found NPQ for Pilot? I certainly don't want you as an NFO with your self-serving attitude.

Good luck with your adventure.

-ea6bflyr

Yeah, thats the thing, I'm looking for most efficient route and OSO's telling me I will get one if I sign as NFO and come back the following year. I'm assuming this is something that doesnt happen very often? Any info on this would be helpful. Ive looked on this forum and have found zilch on it. And if thats the case my OSO is a complete liar. In what way am I not making a decision? If anything, I'm taking everything into consideration to make the best decision and not a rash decision, in addition to not putting all my eggs in one basket. Self-serving because I am trying to accomplish my goal of becoming a pilot and not a NFO? I want to serve my country regardless of the branch(maybe not AF), always have, and if its possible, Id like to do it as a pilot. Not sure how that makes me self-serving. Anyway, thats irrelevant, any advise would be appreciated.

 

[ea6bflyr]

Not sure how that makes me self-serving. Anyway, thats irrelevant

I called you self serving because of this:

lets be real, would Tom Brady be a back up QB or a kicker for the Pats if he could start as QB (the position he dreamed of playing since a kid) for the Jets? Still a football player trying to win a championship, but he's is actually doing what he is best at and what he wants to do, which in turn makes the whole team better. Getting a NFO slot as opposed to a pilot slot is same thing in my mind. I think it would be a valid explanation and shouldnt hurt my status, but then again thats why I am on this forum seeking advice.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Holy crap this is simple if you want to be a marine officer first, take what you get. If you want to be a Pilot talk to everyone find out who can guarantee you a pilot spot and put an application in.

If you go to PLC and then start shopping no ethical recruiter of another service would start working with you until you are released from USMC, however then you have to explain why you QUIT! Last week I was involved in a conversation where a person was offered an AD spot almost 4 years ago but declined, 6 months later he decided he still wanted to join, he keeps putting in applications and every board keeps turning him down.

 

[phrogdriver]

Do you want to be a pilot or a Marine Officer?

There are people who manage to get pilot off an NFO contract, but don't count on it.

If you want to be a Marine, stick with what your OSO advises.

If you want to be a pilot, then shop around.

That's as simple as it gets.

Don't talk about NFOs as second team, especially when you've never done either job.

 

[bronco0623]

I called you self serving beacuse of this

Only reason I would jump ship is if he doesn't follow through with what hes PROMISING me he will do, its not like I would be jumping ship because I got cold feet or something. I dont see how that would be a big deal, explaining how I dropped out of a program because they didnt fulfill what they promised. Reason I dont want to wait is because PLC is closed next year. Look, judging by everyone's reaction it seems to me that this is a rarity. The way the guy put it and emphasized how easy it is to switch your MOS made it seem to me that it is a common thing that is done regularly, but you guys are saying otherwise and making it look like im retarded for signing a contract for NFO with the option of having it changed to NA....which is why Im here in the first place! if knew the way this stuff worked or knew how simple it is I wouldn't be on this forum.

 

[bronco0623]

Do you want to be a pilot or a Marine Officer?

There are people who manage to get pilot off an NFO contract, but don't count on it.

If you want to be a Marine, stick with what your OSO advises.

If you want to be a pilot, then shop around.

That's as simple as it gets.

Don't talk about NFOs as second team, especially when you've never done either job.

Alright, I honestly didnt mean to insult or degrade the NFO position. I was using it as an analogy or explanation to a future NAVY board asking me the question as to why I would jump ship. Didnt come out the way I intended. No disrespect to any NFO's.


So switching to pilot from NFO out of PLC is not common then huh? Does everyone else agree with this? If this is true then I am disappointed, because my OSO is telling the EXACT opposite.

 

[phrogdriver]

Only take the Marine contract if you can live with results either way. If you can't, then start shopping now, not later. Dropping out of PLC may very well affect your chances of getting into another service's program. Fair or not, that's how it is. Accept that and decide accordingly.

 

[ea6bflyr]

I learned this lesson long ago: you will only get what is in WRITING. Verbal promises are just that, promises.

-ea6bflyr

 

[gotta_fly]

For the record, Tom Brady was drafted as a backup quarterback.

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