Rhino Demo

[navyao]

I had the chance to spend this afternoon on my buddies boat on Lake Michigan this afteroon for the Milwaukee Air Expo...Unfortunately I missed the S-3 demo. We made it in time for the F-15 tac demo and then some of the civilian stuff. Thank God though, we made it in time for the Rhino! Needless to say the Super Bug put on a better show then the "best fighter aircraft," the F-15. "Chewie" and "Ringo" flew faster and lower then everything putting on a typically outstanding Navy TAC AIR demo. So if any of you guys are in VFA-106, extend my thanks, they put on one heck of a show. Oh yea, the Thunderbirds were there too. Put it this way, even the 2 guys I was with said the Blues flew faster, lower and way tighter then the T-birds. When the folks on the ground see mistakes that can't be good.

Now for a question or two...I believe there are at least 2 Rhino drivers or WSO's that are in here quite a bit and maybe you guys can explain this a little. I've seen the a/c fly a specific maneuver where the pilot comes out of the verticle, or at least a high AoA and drops the nose to level flight bleeding off what I'm guessing is a lot of energy from the high AoA climb and increase in thrust. I would guess this is a quick change from + G's to - G's? That's as good as I can explain it...What's it called and how do you guys do it?

Last question then I'll shut up. This is a question specifically for the Rhino/Tomcat NFO's. What's the difference between a RIO and a WSO? I know what a RIO does/did; has the job changed that much? Both still handle BVR engagements correct? Both still run the intercept? Soooo...Baring any opsec/comsec concearns if you guys could give me a basic jist I'd appreciate it.

Thanks to all who reply!

 

[SuperFly]

I think what you are referring to is the "hyber" manever. We just drop the stick full forward to clean the wings (leading/trailing edge flaps come up automatically) for an increase in airspeed and to drop the AOA. Depending on airspeed, it's about -3 Gs. Usually used in BFM during a one circle fight that goes two circle.

 

[NavyLonghorn]

I think what you are referring to is the "hyber" manever. We just drop the stick full forward to clean the wings (leading/trailing edge flaps come up automatically) for an increase in airspeed and to drop the AOA. Depending on airspeed, it's about -3 Gs. Usually used in BFM during a one circle fight that goes two circle.

-3? Ouch.

 

[STLEngineer]

-3? Ouch.

Ricardo Traven would have to love it.

 

[Check Six]

Is Ricardo still around. Got to meet him when he was at TPS before he went back to Canada, got out of their military and joined Boeing.

 

[STLEngineer]

Yep,

He's out at PAX River NAS, still working for Boeing. He's probably at Farnborough right now. He's Boeing's demonstration/airshow specialist.

 

[EODDave]

I dont think he's talking about the hyber. I think he's talkin about turbo nose down. looks like the plane is going straight up then pushes over (-g's) to level flight? This would not be a hyber. Also dont recall the hyber being that many -g's. But then again I dont look at how many g's + or - while doing bfm.

 

[EODDave]

Superfly,

I think what you are referring to is the "hyber" manever. We just drop the stick full forward to clean the wings (leading/trailing edge flaps come up automatically) for an increase in airspeed and to drop the AOA.

Dropping the stick full forward is not the hyber.

 

[JIMMY]

i didnt know the rhino would let u push that much neg... thats sexy.

 

[HUDcripple]

I think what you are referring to is the "hyber" manever. We just drop the stick full forward to clean the wings (leading/trailing edge flaps come up automatically) for an increase in airspeed and to drop the AOA. Depending on airspeed, it's about -3 Gs. Usually used in BFM during a one circle fight that goes two circle.

"Hyber" was the callsign of the first guy at VX-9 to use the technique, and the full-fwd stick is normally accompanied by full rudder to roll the jet 180 degrees. The Rhino wing doesn't clean up as easy as the C/D, so this was the solution. Prior to "Hyber" guys were trying to break the AOA with the same technique as the C, with poor results. The rudder won't roll the jet until the AOA breaks, and this method is caveman-simple, instead of waiting until after the AOA breaks to command the roll with rudder or stick.

 

[eddie]

Pics folks, pics.

Anyone got 'em / gonna make one? Pretty please?

 

[Huggy Bear]

"Hyber" was the callsign of the first guy at VX-9 to use the technique, and the full-fwd stick is normally accompanied by full rudder to roll the jet 180 degrees. The Rhino wing doesn't clean up as easy as the C/D, so this was the solution. Prior to "Hyber" guys were trying to break the AOA with the same technique as the C, with poor results. The rudder won't roll the jet until the AOA breaks, and this method is caveman-simple, instead of waiting until after the AOA breaks to command the roll with rudder or stick.

We usually do full forward CORNER stick acommpanied by full rudder in the same direction. Works great bringing the throttle back and then jamming it forward again just as the roll starts.

 

[A4sForever]

HYBER ?????

Huh ... you guys are soooooooo .... advanced.

We just used to call it: "bunt" ... some queer guys said ... "bump".

Same-o ... same-o.

 

[EODDave]

The hyber isnt a bunt. It's a ditch manuever.

 

[A4sForever]

The hyber isnt a bunt. It's a ditch manuever.

Is it like a "roll-away" and pull underneath ??? I.e., change direction of the turn ?? I got spoiled with the high roll rate of the A4