Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

[sevenhelmet]

Really? Grow up.

BTW, have you ever read the SOH Terms and rules?
"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful..."

This isn't going anywhere useful, unless you're going to point out the same terms every time someone expresses themselves with a pejorative toward a third-party around here. I will go out on a limb and bet that you aren't willing to do that. Rather, the SOH gets trotted out whenever someone feels like their guy/gal is being slighted. Not helpful.

This administration came into power with a giant middle finger aimed at humanitarian aid, citing "waste and abuse", and throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It's understandable that many people are absolutely not trusting them in that regard now.

 

[Lawman]

The story he linked to wasn't about the triage phase, it was about the long game of recovery, so apples and oranges.

USAID was the lead in foreign disaster response in the past. That role has theoretically shifted to the Dept of State, but you know the experience, networks, and expertise that USAID had in its people was lost in the great purge.

We were definitely off a step helping in the Myanmar earthquake. Firing the (only) three USAID workers in Myanmar while they were in Myanmar was chef's kiss.

There are concerns about readiness to help Jamaica recover from Melissa.

The storm is the first major natural disaster to hit the region since the Trump administration dismantled USAID earlier this year. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the agency’s functions would be absorbed by the State Department.

The Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration was given the responsibility for international disaster relief. But much of the staff in that bureau was later laid off.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article312685519.html#storylink=cpy

This gets into the whole hard power/soft power debate.

Our military can help with the soft power, with medevacs during the golden hour, but not lead it and not do it for the long run.

As of 2 hours ago State had people reported on the ground by several media groups not just Fox to start the aid process, so yes while this time first time since restructuring, the wholesale “we won’t do anything” attitude is a bit premature.

US Aid isn’t/wasnt immune to corruption or misuse as the information complied and reported lately has been demonstrating. Do you want to talk about the missteps in other HADR operations or waste of resources in execution both here and abroad or just this specific admin?

It’s safe to say somebody that rails about “Orange Jesus” in a discussion on what the admin will and won’t do responding to a natural disaster is probably not going to acknowledge the dishonest manner in which they want to frame the argument or admit to fault in their arguments. “Trump did nothing to aid Puerto Rico” was and has been a long dispelled narrative, and you only get there by walking past what we did do at the time.

 

[Flash]

As of 2 hours ago State had people reported on the ground by several media groups not just Fox to start the aid process, so yes while this time first time since restructuring, the wholesale “we won’t do anything” attitude is a bit premature.

Just because we 'have people on the ground' doesn't mean much at all, the details are what matter. I'll reserve judgement on how effective our international disaster aid is until more complete details emerge.

[USAID] isn’t/wasnt immune to corruption or misuse as the information complied and reported lately has been demonstrating. Do you want to talk about the missteps in other HADR operations or waste of resources in execution both here and abroad or just this specific admin?

Neither is any organization, public or private, but you don't see the military or IBM dismantled without any rhyme or reason to what may replace it, if anything.

 

[Lawman]

Just because we 'have people on the ground' doesn't mean much at all, the details are what matter. I'll reserve judgement on how effective our international disaster aid is until more complete details emerge.



Neither is any organization, public or private, but you don't see the military or IBM dismantled without any rhyme or reason to what may replace it, if anything.

Cool, what’s your threshold for success/participation, because the original launched comments that were we wouldn’t do anything, justified by the claim we didn’t do anything at *example* and ignoring the billions being executed while cherry picking HUD… What’s the go to historical US AID for comparison, Haiti?

Let’s at least get the dice roll before moving to our space on the mat, the storm in question literally just lifted.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Let’s at least get the dice roll before moving to our space on the mat, the storm in question literally just lifted.

It's not a roll of the dice. We know this is bad, and Jamaica needs help. What remains to be seen is the level of help granted and its effectiveness, particularly in light of USAID's rapid and capricious disassembly orchestrated earlier this year. As such, this is the first test of a modified (read: partially deconstructed) system.

 

[Lawman]

It's not a roll of the dice. We know this is bad, and Jamaica needs help. What remains to be seen is the level of help granted and its effectiveness, particularly in light of USAID's rapid and capricious disassembly orchestrated earlier this year. As such, this is the first test of a modified (read: partially deconstructed) system. Preconceived notions are going to be present whether you like them or not.

We have executed HADR where US AID was not (thankfully) the lead agency before. Damayan in response to Yolanda being a great example. If US Aid is going to be as mentioned earlier the soft power part of foreign policy (something I’m all for) it only makes more sense to have moved that under the umbrella of the department charged with executing that action not less.

Immediate shrieking because of who is sitting in the Executive seat to “everything you’ve done is bad, do better” as the preconceived debrief point is as useful in this case as it would be in any other AAR.

 

[taxi1]

a bit premature.

Indeed, let's see how it plays out.

We seem to be shifting our attention to our hemisphere, this is an opportunity to win hearts, balanced against our mil actions.

We have executed HADR where US AID was not (thankfully) the lead agency before. Damayan in response to Yolanda being a great example.

https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/jfq/jfq-82/jfq-82_54-61_Parker-et-al.pdf

Within the U.S. Strategic Response Framework, USAID/OFDA was assigned as lead Federal agency (LFA) for providing foreign humanitarian assistance (FHA) and coordinating U.S. responses internationally.

Also
from this fact sheet

FACT SHEET: U.S. Response to Typhoon Haiyan

Since Typhoon Haiyan struck the Philippines on November 8, U.S.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

Even before the storm reached land, the United States began coordinating potential support to the Philippines’ response effort. Departments and agencies in Washington and our Embassy in Manila were in close communication in the days before the storm. Our Embassy put out a warning message for American citizens and USAID deployed a Disaster Assistance Response Team (DART) to the area.

The DART was the first government assessment team to arrive in Leyte province, and continues to play a critical role in leading the U.S. response effort, assessing storm damage, advising on critical humanitarian needs, coordinating relief efforts in support of the Philippine government, and working with non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and UN agencies. Five USAID airlifts have delivered needed emergency supplies like plastic sheeting, hygiene kits, water containers, and nutrition-dense food items. Of the more than $37 million in U.S. assistance, we provided $10 million to the World Food Programme to enable, in part, the purchase of 2,500 metric tons of rice being distributed by the Philippines’ Department of Social Welfare and Development.