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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

taxi1 said:
The folks in Ukraine are doing it in extraordinarily rapid iteration driven by daily ops that dwarf any of our exercises.

Our experts who have been there say we are way behind. Your comment on our exercises backs that up.

Maybe how we do our tactics will evolve to exploit the new capabilities offered while working around the weak spots.
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Yes but there is also COA 2 which is the one we’ve decided to go with…

Fake the reports up to glowing language, everything we are doing is fine. There’s a bunch of A holes at the PEO that need to explain why we are spending what we are on the Altius 600 and going thorough all the efforts when the Ukrainians already pulled them from the battlefield like “this thing is trash.”
 
taxi1 said:
...Her alarm sounded after American veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq visited Ukraine to prospect for business or fight as volunteers...they share a refrain: “My team would not last for 48 hours out there.” With A.I.-enhanced drones joining the action, Fairlamb described the need to boost A.I.-arms development as no less than existential, prompting her to approach embassies and arms manufacturers with urgency. “It really and truly is about making people understand how dramatically different this technology is,” she said. “And how unbelievably unprepared the United States is.”
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Lawman said:
I’m not saying it’s not possible I’m saying that people are prepared to believe the car salesman because it promises cheap democratized easy button to long range precision strike.
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taxi1 said:
The folks in Ukraine are doing it in extraordinarily rapid iteration driven by daily ops that dwarf any of our exercises.

Our experts who have been there say we are way behind. Your comment on our exercises backs that up.
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One big caution is to not learn the wrong lessons from the most recent war, like France did from World War I. One thing that Ukraine does not have in the current war is long range strike weapons, while they have made progress in developing some longer ranged systems they do not have many that can go deep into Russia to strike targets like factories cranking out one-way attack drones.

Ukraine has done a masterful job of defending itself against a power many times more powerful than it is but you can't discount the sheer stupidity and corruption in Russia that helps them out too. I am flabbergasted at how slow they have been to learn lessons and just how incompetent they have been at war, even after almost 4 years of fighting.

So while there are a lot of lessons to learn from the war many of them would have limited utility for us, even when it comes to drones/UAV's (by no means all, but many).
 
Flash said:
One big caution is to not learn the wrong lessons from the most recent war
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This pitfall is germane to one of my previous points on drone use. Ukraine has used s/UAS very effectively in this conflict... not because they are the most effective capability out there, but because they don't have many other options. This idea, and the fact that social media is saturated with drone footage of Russians on the receiving end of drone attacks, have contributed to this idea that drone swarms are the solution to any and everything.
 
Brett327 said:
This pitfall is germane to one of my previous points on drone use. Ukraine has used s/UAS very effectively in this conflict... not because they are the most effective capability out there, but because they don't have many other options. This idea, and the fact that social media is saturated with drone footage of Russians on the receiving end of drone attacks, have contributed to this idea that drone swarms are the solution to any and everything.
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The report just released by the engagement team says in multiple sections that autonomy and swarms have not been achieved over there and more to the point aren’t what the Ukrainians are pursuing.

They see autonomy efforts to enable crews performance not eliminate them from the requirement for employment.
 
Lawman said:
The report just released by the engagement team says in multiple sections that autonomy and swarms have not been achieved over there and more to the point aren’t what the Ukrainians are pursuing.

They see autonomy efforts to enable crews performance not eliminate them from the requirement for employment.
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To clarify, the UKR reference speaks to the broader fetishization of drones in general, not to a use of autonomy or swarm tactics there per se.
 
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