WannaBEaP3gal
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After busting my ass the past 3 yrs in NROTC in hopes to become a pilot, I was just told that I am too short according to my flight physical to "control" an aircraft. Can someone tell me about being an NFO?
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I assume this happened on your pre-comm physical? If you are close to the standards then you may have a chance for a re-measure. Something similar happened to me but it was at the NOMI physical in P-cola just before API. I didn't make one of the measurements but I talked to a flight surgeon who told me to come back the next day. I requested a flight surgeon do the anthro testing rather than one of the corpsmen. I made the measurements the next day and now I'm a P-3 pilot (had no problems at all in either of the training aircraft or the P-3). Also ask about single-pipeline waivers, because there are some short people flying Orions. Best of luck.
backseater82
Registered User
I'm not exactly sure about the hight requiments for NFO, but I think they might be similar to pilots. I know that when I had my flight physical done and NOMI (I go to college in P-cola) I found out that I'm too tall to fit in an EA-6B. I thought that was going to kill my chances of getting in the Marine Corps as and NFO, but by OSO checked and it's not a problem. Now, I'm gauranteed F-18, and can't wait.
Yah same deal. Some idiot corpsman told me I failed the hieght req for pilot at my API check in physical. I called him out on it and raised a stink. Got a flight surgeon to do it an hour later and i was deemed a-okay. 6 years later I'm about to hit 1400 hours as a pilot. Just make sure a medical corps flight surgeon checks you out. Good luck.
It's not always the height, it's the anthropomorphic measurements, e.g. arm reach, calf length, etc. I'm 6'2", and was anthro DQed from the T-2, but not the T-45,TH-57, or TA-4. I really didn't care too much for jets, or the T-2, for that matter, so didn't ask to be remeasured.
littledancerus
applying
I was told for Navy/Marines you can be as short as 4'10 as long as you "fit the seat" So yea, it's your extension measurments. For USAF it's different though. Personally, I'm 5'0 and hopeing to become a NFO so I'm HOPEING I can fit that thing. Oh if I don't after all this.... oh that'd be sad.
WannaBEaP3gal
Registered User
Well when I heard this life altering news on Friday, the admin secretary said I cannot "control the aircraft" because of my height, but I can be an NFO (funny cause the only place I can navigate myself to is the mall), I'm gonna see if I can find out what measurements killed me... it doesn't make any sense though cause I asked the guy who measured me if I met all the requirements, and he said yes. I'm 64 inches tall, but I don't know what the minimum height is, they dont really post that kind of info anywhere
wannabep3gal, don't take the admin secretary's word on that, dig deeper and find out, the info is out there, and as people mentioned higher up on the post about getting remeasured, etc. I know I have seen some pretty short people fly P3s....
Good news/Bad news??
STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR
Note: For aeromedical purposes, applicant standards are applied to all aviation personnel until they complete their physical at NAVAEROPMEDINST prior to commencing training. Once this exam is completed, designated standards will apply in most cases, as will waiver guidelines. All SNAs must have a BUMED endorsed flight physical in their records prior to reporting to any CNATRA command. If a waiver is required prior to actual aerial training, the official BUPERS/CMC/CNRC letter is required, not just the BUMED endorsement. CNATRA refers to personnel as candidates until they are designated.
Same standards as SG1 except:
ANTHROS
Required for applicants. No Waivers.
Sitting Height (SH) 32-41 in.
Functional Reach (FR) 28 in. or more
Buttock Knee Length (BKL) 21.9-28 in.
Buttock Leg Length (BLL) 36-50 in.
BKL is the most critical measurement. If member does not meet anthro standards on initial measurement he must be retested three times by the AVT and the flight surgeon. Please pay attention--these are frequently missed by examiners!
HEIGHT
Navy: 62" to 78" (M); 58" to 78" (F) for Commissioning in URL.
USMC: Minimum 66" (M) and 58" (F) for Commissioning.
DENTAL
Must be Type I or II exam. Do on each exam.
Applicants for aviation service must meet general enlistment and commissioning standards. (see MANMED 15-65). Must have no defect which would react adversely to changes in barometric pressure. Orthodontic appliances are not acceptable unless they are non-removable ( fixed in place.)
CHEST X-RAY
Required for initial flight physical. Not over 3 years old (not over 2 years for commissioning)
EKG
Required for initial flight physical. Recorded not more than 12 months from date of physical.
DVA
20/40 (minus zero) on Goodlite chart, each eye, corrected to 20/20 minus (zero) or better each eye. If uncorrected vision is less than 20/20 each eye the correction must be worn while flying
REFRACTION
edited May 01
(Cycloplegic) Myopia no more than -1.50 any meridian. Hyperopia no more than +3.00 any meridian. Astigmatism no greater than -1.00 cylinder. Both cycloplegic and manifest refraction must be recorded. The same refractive error standards apply to both examinations. Avoid overcorrection--record refraction to 20/20 each eye. Refraction to best acuity may exceed standards. (see MANMED 15-65, p. 15-48)
NPC
No requirements.
HEARING
Average of 3 audiograms required for disqualification.
FREQUENCY
500
1000
2000
3000
4000
EACH EAR
25
25
25
45
55
SLIT LAMP EXAM
Required. Look for evidence of orthokeratology, radial keratotomy or any corneal scarring or opacities. Corneal topography will be performed at NAMI to screen for Photorefractive keratectomy (PRK).
COLOR VISION TESTING
The Pseudo-isochromatic Plate (PIP) is now considered the primary testing method for aviation programs. The test should be administered carefully, using a Macbeth lamp for correct lighting color. Plates should be rearranged periodically. Twelve of fourteen (12/14) constitutes a pass; if members fails PIP, FALANT may be administered, with 9/9 considered passing. If one error is made on the first run, 16/18 correct responses is passing. Alternative color test include ISHIHARA color plates 12/14 to pass on a 16 plate test.
DEPTH PERCEPTION TESTING
AFVT , Verhoeff, Titmus, and RANDOT are the only authorized test for Naval Aviation. Test scores are recorded as follows: AFVT A - F, must pass B thru D, Verhoeff must pass 8 correct of 8 attempts [ 8 /8 ]or 16 correct of 16 attempts [ 16/16 ]. RANDOT and Titmus to 40 seconds arc. Examinee may wear correction during test. Passing at least on of these tests is considered qualifying.
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READING ALOUD TEST (RAT)
Required if speech impediment exists or if any history of speech therapy, or maxillofacial surgery.
AERONAUTICAL ADAPTABILITY
Evaluate the applicant's motivation for flying, past successes, family dynamics. This is crucial but frequently overlooked by examiner.
MOTION SICKNESS
A positive motion sickness history requires a detailed history as to sea, air, car sickness, number of times, ages and further exposure. Complete the Motion Sickness Questionnaire (Chapter 17 of ARWG).
-- That's the bad news. The (possibly) good news is that for some reason, the NFO page doesn't have anthro measurements as a requirement. This actually pisses me off because a civ. recruiter got a friend of mine (who wants to be a pilot) to join when he was definitely no way 5'2. Maybe just barely, I have no idea.
STUDENT NAVAL AVIATOR
Note: For aeromedical purposes, applicant standards are applied to all aviation personnel until they complete their physical at NAVAEROPMEDINST prior to commencing training. Once this exam is completed, designated standards will apply in most cases, as will waiver guidelines. All SNAs must have a BUMED endorsed flight physical in their records prior to reporting to any CNATRA command. If a waiver is required prior to actual aerial training, the official BUPERS/CMC/CNRC letter is required, not just the BUMED endorsement. CNATRA refers to personnel as candidates until they are designated.
Same standards as SG1 except:
ANTHROS
Required for applicants. No Waivers.
Sitting Height (SH) 32-41 in.
Functional Reach (FR) 28 in. or more
Buttock Knee Length (BKL) 21.9-28 in.
Buttock Leg Length (BLL) 36-50 in.
BKL is the most critical measurement. If member does not meet anthro standards on initial measurement he must be retested three times by the AVT and the flight surgeon. Please pay attention--these are frequently missed by examiners!
HEIGHT
Navy: 62" to 78" (M); 58" to 78" (F) for Commissioning in URL.
USMC: Minimum 66" (M) and 58" (F) for Commissioning.
DENTAL
Must be Type I or II exam. Do on each exam.
Applicants for aviation service must meet general enlistment and commissioning standards. (see MANMED 15-65). Must have no defect which would react adversely to changes in barometric pressure. Orthodontic appliances are not acceptable unless they are non-removable ( fixed in place.)
CHEST X-RAY
Required for initial flight physical. Not over 3 years old (not over 2 years for commissioning)
EKG
Required for initial flight physical. Recorded not more than 12 months from date of physical.
DVA
20/40 (minus zero) on Goodlite chart, each eye, corrected to 20/20 minus (zero) or better each eye. If uncorrected vision is less than 20/20 each eye the correction must be worn while flying
REFRACTION
edited May 01
(Cycloplegic) Myopia no more than -1.50 any meridian. Hyperopia no more than +3.00 any meridian. Astigmatism no greater than -1.00 cylinder. Both cycloplegic and manifest refraction must be recorded. The same refractive error standards apply to both examinations. Avoid overcorrection--record refraction to 20/20 each eye. Refraction to best acuity may exceed standards. (see MANMED 15-65, p. 15-48)
NPC
No requirements.
HEARING
Average of 3 audiograms required for disqualification.
FREQUENCY
500
1000
2000
3000
4000
EACH EAR
25
25
25
45
55
SLIT LAMP EXAM
Required. Look for evidence of orthokeratology, radial keratotomy or any corneal scarring or opacities. Corneal topography will be performed at NAMI to screen for Photorefractive keratectomy (PRK).
COLOR VISION TESTING
The Pseudo-isochromatic Plate (PIP) is now considered the primary testing method for aviation programs. The test should be administered carefully, using a Macbeth lamp for correct lighting color. Plates should be rearranged periodically. Twelve of fourteen (12/14) constitutes a pass; if members fails PIP, FALANT may be administered, with 9/9 considered passing. If one error is made on the first run, 16/18 correct responses is passing. Alternative color test include ISHIHARA color plates 12/14 to pass on a 16 plate test.
DEPTH PERCEPTION TESTING
AFVT , Verhoeff, Titmus, and RANDOT are the only authorized test for Naval Aviation. Test scores are recorded as follows: AFVT A - F, must pass B thru D, Verhoeff must pass 8 correct of 8 attempts [ 8 /8 ]or 16 correct of 16 attempts [ 16/16 ]. RANDOT and Titmus to 40 seconds arc. Examinee may wear correction during test. Passing at least on of these tests is considered qualifying.
.
READING ALOUD TEST (RAT)
Required if speech impediment exists or if any history of speech therapy, or maxillofacial surgery.
AERONAUTICAL ADAPTABILITY
Evaluate the applicant's motivation for flying, past successes, family dynamics. This is crucial but frequently overlooked by examiner.
MOTION SICKNESS
A positive motion sickness history requires a detailed history as to sea, air, car sickness, number of times, ages and further exposure. Complete the Motion Sickness Questionnaire (Chapter 17 of ARWG).
-- That's the bad news. The (possibly) good news is that for some reason, the NFO page doesn't have anthro measurements as a requirement. This actually pisses me off because a civ. recruiter got a friend of mine (who wants to be a pilot) to join when he was definitely no way 5'2. Maybe just barely, I have no idea.
WannaBEaP3gal
Registered User
Thanks Integer, I'm gonna try and get my exact measurements tomorrow, I know a retired 0-6 pilot who's got connections to verify those numbers. If that doesn't work, I'm gonna get remeasured ASAP!
WannaBEaP3gal
Registered User
Turns out my functional reach is 27 inches! Son of a *$#@! Well my CO told me that single-pipeline waivers are no longer being given out according to CNET, so if you don't qualify across the board, you don't qualify at all! He said he would send me to Pensacola if I want to get measured by the sure thing, because if I were to go over here (NAS JAX) and get measured to qualifying standards, but I go over there and don't qualify, then I'm out of the Navy, since that's how they are doing it nowadays. Should I waste my time going over to Pensacola, over a whole inch, or just suck it up and go NFO, cause I have a feeling if I go and get measured, my reach will be shorter than before (since they have been very liberal over there at NAS JAX) ???
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