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Shutdown

Squeeze, my post wasn't about the ACA, it was about the politics around the shut down.
 
The entire shutdown is due to the Tea Party nutters in the House failing to understand that they are not going to get their way with their 42nd attempt to defund the ACA. The shutdown is all about the ACA.
 
I love how both the Dems and the GOP are simultaneously being blamed for "wanting" the shutdown by both sides of the political spectrum.
 
Will the "Government Shutdown" delay direct commissioning boards? I'm applying for direct accession into the MSC as an HCA, and I haven't heard anything about any boards occuring. I wonder if that's due to the shutdown....
 
Bottom line on this shutdown is that there is a LACK OF LEADERSHIP - on ALL sides. The Pres is coming off like a little kid who can't get his way so he resorts to calling names and crying to the press. Same with Reid in the Senate. The GOP has no clue what it's doing when it comes to getting its message out to the people - that's IF it could agree on a message. The whole thing is ridiculous. The name of the game is sit down and work out a compromise - it's not like this is the first time this has happened. I think it speaks a great deal to the mindset of the Dems and the Pres that there has no been a budget passed since Bush was in office...
 
707guy said:
Bottom line on this shutdown is that there is a LACK OF LEADERSHIP - on ALL sides. The Pres is coming off like a little kid who can't get his way so he resorts to calling names and crying to the press. Same with Reid in the Senate. The GOP has no clue what it's doing when it comes to getting its message out to the people - that's IF it could agree on a message. The whole thing is ridiculous. The name of the game is sit down and work out a compromise - it's not like this is the first time this has happened. I think it speaks a great deal to the mindset of the Dems and the Pres that there has no been a budget passed since Bush was in office...
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I don't disagree with you, but I'd add Boehner, Cruz, Lee, Mark Meadows, and a few more to you list with Obama and Reid. Why is it telling about the Dems that there hasn't been a budget, but not about the Repubs? That couldn't possibly be your bias speaking, could it?

Actually, Boehner would probably be at the top of the list. It seems there might be enough votes to pass a "clean" budget (no ACA included on it) but he's too cowed by the suicide caucus to do anything about it. Which is shocking to absolutely no one since his leadership has been abysmal since the moment began two years ago. And right now, his party seems to be self-destrucing. Fortunately, I am hopeful that the phoenix that rises from the ashes is a true small government, fiscally conservative version of the right, and that this will all be the death throes for the Tea Partiers. It would be great to have someone I actually kind of wanted to vote for.
 
I agree with you on Boehner - as I said - no leadership on either side. Am I biased? I surely am. Do I blindly support the GOP? Nope. I'm tired of democrats hiding in republican clothing. I'm actually tired of pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle. As you would like to see a new GOP I'd like to see the Dems toss the far left lunatics into the history books and move more toward the center as well.
 
squeeze said:
The entire shutdown is due to the Tea Party nutters in the House failing to understand that they are not going to get their way with their 42nd attempt to defund the ACA. The shutdown is all about the ACA.
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I think you overestimate the influence the folks in the Tea Party have.
 
Steve Wilkins said:
I think you overestimate the influence the folks in the Tea Party have.
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I must say, I give them credit for doing what they've been able to do starting as a grassroots movement and coalescing into something that actually has pull. Personal beliefs aside, they've done well.
 
xj220 said:
I must say, I give them credit for doing what they've been able to do starting as a grassroots movement and coalescing into something that actually has pull. Personal beliefs aside, they've done well.
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I side with many of the Tea Party principles, but that is certainly no secret around here for anyone that has been on here awhile. That said, the Tea Party itself is a very poorly organized group of many, many Tea Party groups. There has certainly been a concerted effort to become more organized, but that organization has mainly been by the Republican party hijacking Tea Party groups' efforts. If the Tea Party as a collective had half the influence that the media and other folks think they have, we never would have been in this mess in the first place. We'd have a properly balanced budget (i.e. not these ridiculous CR's) passed through the appropriate channels, the deficit would be near zero, and Obamacare would be non existent. But alas, the Tea Party doesn't have that influence.
 
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