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SMA COPT-R Questions

FlyNavy03

Just when I thought I was out,they pull me back in
pilot
I'm the OIC of the COPT-R program. I'm creating this thread as a place that Student Military Aviators can go to get answers to their questions about how COPT-R works. If you're considering COPT-R, or you're curious what it's all about, this is where you can hopefully find your answers. So ask away. I won't say there aren't any dumb questions - over the years I've seen way too many people prove that assertion false - but I will promise to answer them anyway.

For current or former aviators - Please respect that. This isn't a discussion about the merits of COPT-R or how it could be better. There are plenty of other threads that are doing a very adequate job of covering those topics, if that's what interests you.

 

Thrawn15

New Member
@FlyNavy03
How long is training at the Helicopter Institute in Fort Worth? Also, are you seeing that students are going into advanced much better prepared than their T-6 counterparts?

@romeoland2025
I know this is a little broad, but can you provide your perspective on the pipeline? Do you feel that it benefitted you to go through COPT-R and did it have any bearing on the platform you selected after completing advanced?

Thank you, both!
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
@Thrawn15 there's two other threads which may have what you're looking for. I'd start here:


In that thread, there's also a link to a much longer discussion in another thread (fourth post down, I believe).

@romeoland2025 by all means, share your info.
 

Thrawn15

New Member
@Gatordev thank you, but I think @FlyNavy03 started a new thread so that people wouldn’t have to sift through a bunch of information that wasn’t relevant to COPT-R. I never actually found a direct response to that persons above question about COPT-R.

That’s why I’m asking my questions here.
 

Bill427

COPTR dude
@Gatordev thank you, but I think @FlyNavy03 started a new thread so that people wouldn’t have to sift through a bunch of information that wasn’t relevant to COPT-R. I never actually found a direct response to that persons above question about COPT-R.

That’s why I’m asking my questions here.
COPTR grad/current advanced student here: COPTR is 3 wonderful months in Fort Worth, and as a current student in Rotary Advanced I would say it definitely got me well-prepared for Day Fam portion of training. That is NOT to say the T-6 folks are bad sticks at all, but I speak for myself when I say that * I * would have been much more unsteady for these first few Day Fam helo flights. I am not the quickest learner and def needed the extra exposure I got at COPTR. That experience gave me more confidence in the aircraft and myself, which definitely lowered the helmet fire temps a bit.

For many reasons, I'm very glad I got to go the COPTR route. A couple main ones:

1. Medical: it was required that I to go COPTR if I wanted to get my wings: like some of my classmates, I got a boo-boo and thus could no longer do T-6's. Didn't care cause I wanted helos anyways from the jump. Also, it's much shorter than regular primary so it helped me catch back up with my peers once I was med-up.

2. Fun time: I may be out of pocket for this but I'm fairly certain you will never in your entire career get to go 3 months of civilian-led instruction far away from Big Navy and all the BS that comes with it- and it's some of the most fun training you may do. When I got the COPTR opportunity, I was told I would go TAD away from mom and dad for 3 months, stack up thousands in per diem (on top of pay) in a great city, and not stand weekend duty/watch/uniform inspections etc. Throw in learning to fly a helicopter and I felt downright guilty taking the offer. Best deal I've ever made, and I recommend it to anyone wanting to fly helos and experience Fort Worth/Dallas too. Lastly, every COPTR class has been tight, like a diverse little 8-person family. Almost a year after Fort Worth, we still hang out outside of work and have fun on weekends together, and that camaraderie started at COPTR. When I see a COPTR person on the sked with me I'm automatically stoked.

3. Platforms: It sounds like COPTR students have had good results regarding NSS (on average). HOWEVER, I've also heard that recently some Navy rotary wingers might be getting "quality spread" across platforms/coasts like the Marines have been known to do. So maybe it's all a moot point and the fates just decide. So, here's the usual advice that grades are important, but just always do your best and bloom where you're planted. For hard data: the first batch of COPTR folks have just winged recently, and due to the small sample size I wouldn't expect any real data on Legacy/COPTR folks going to what coast/platform for another year or so.

Lastly, if you get to COPTR and you think it's not for you I believe you can still just DOR and go T-6. But after well over 100 students and dozens more there now, not one has done so. Might be telling...
 
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