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South Korea blames the North for sinking its ship

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
If ever there was a candidate for a country to be turned into a pile of radioactive rubble, it's North Korea. Why China continues to support them is beyond me. The Chinese like to take the long view, but I don't see how a country like the DPRK can be a beneficial ally in the long run. They're more like an annoying/bipolar parasite relative.

At this point I think it's gone from the old brothers in Communism alliance to humoring the old coot with nukes so he goes gently into the night instead of leaving a dump on your doorstep. Any way that the regime falls, China's going to be left with a mess of refugees on its hands.

You know the chaos we had to deal with when we knocked over Saddam? I think they'd rather contain the problem than provoke it.
 

BigRed389

Registered User
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Just because they are a "country" does not mean they are stable. By your definition so is Kenya or hell, most of jacked up Africa. I would hardly call Togo,Kenya,et al... stable

Most of Africa has seen several wars, revolutions, regime changes, and various other upheavals. It would appear the DPRK has effectively suppressed any destabilizing elements, as the only significant events in their ~60 history after the Korean War have been food shortages (which of course, the West/ROK have helped them with as part of the nuclear discussions) and what appears to have been a smooth transfer of power from one dictator to his son.

I'm not going to waste time on semantics, as it seems you're simply trying to make the argument that they're not "stable," and they'll collapse eventually....or whatever.

Well, it's been said for decades (since the 80's at least), that it was only a matter of time, with the food shortages, unhappiness, and so forth, until the DPRK collapsed. It was also argued the regime would collapse when Kim Il Sung (1st "President) died...again, didn't happen. The point is, you're saying nothing that hasn't been said before, and time has only proven the "experts" wrong.

And +1 in agreement with Treetop's reply. If/when they (DPRK or a nuclear armed Iran) do collapse, you're talking about a major upheaval in a nuclear armed nation. Same reason (or at least part of) our great interest in Pakistan.
 

exhelodrvr

Well-Known Member
pilot
I think South Korea would be the one dealing with the majority of the refugees, not China - that would be a major drain on South Korea's economy for a long time, which would not be a bad thing for China.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Wow. I gotta admit when I read the results of this investigation I had a personal facepalm for betting on the "wait and see" camp. The commies have done a lot of messed up stuff over the years--shot at/down a lot of airplanes, shot at a lot of ships (including the Pueblo), the minisub commandos a few years ago, DMZ shenanigans--but torpedo a warship? Really?!? I didn't see that one coming.
 

picklesuit

Dirty Hinge
pilot
Contributor
Wow. I gotta admit when I read the results of this investigation I had a personal facepalm for betting on the "wait and see" camp. The commies have done a lot of messed up stuff over the years--shot at/down a lot of airplanes, shot at a lot of ships (including the Pueblo), the minisub commandos a few years ago, DMZ shenanigans--but torpedo a warship? Really?!? I didn't see that one coming.

Sounds like a chance for some good ASW...wonder what asset they'll use?
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
Wow. I gotta admit when I read the results of this investigation I had a personal facepalm for betting on the "wait and see" camp.... I didn't see that one coming.
Harrrrrumph. I always default to the ''Commies' did it'' position ... over the past 60+ years, that seems to have worked 99% of the time. :)

Or you can always go w/ ''the Devil made me do it''. That works, too ...

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hokieav8r

~Bring the Wood!~
None
This NK/ROK stuff has been going on for a long time ... I don't think anything will change, anytime soon. Unless, of course, Red China decides it's not in THEIR best interest for NK to continue to behave like a petulant, mentally-challenged child ... for example:

North Korea-South Korea Tensions

+1 which is why this is nothing compared to the junk that goes on every day between the two sides. I remember when being in S Korea postured to deal with DPRK was the "tip o the spear!" ha!

yeah.....jack and shit.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
... I remember when being in S Korea postured to deal with DPRK was the "tip o the spear!" ha!

yeah.....jack and shit.
I just hope any current or pending dust-up doesn't interfere w/ Happy Hour OB beer, popcorn & hot sauce, and Bulgoki (sic) @ 8th Army/Dragon Hill ... :)
 

exhelodrvr

Well-Known Member
pilot
An interesting analysis I have seen hypothesized by several North Korea watchers.

I read an article a couple of weeks ago that there was a 1 in 4 success rate in a "secular dictatorship" of successfully passing the power on from the parent to the next generation the first time, but that it had never been done successfully the second time (grandchildren of the original dictator). Unfortunately, I don't have a link don't remember the source.

Fareed Zakaria's thoughts on the Cheonan:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/27/zakaria.korea.china/index.html?hpt=C2
 

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
pilot
Contributor
An interesting analysis I have seen hypothesized by several North Korea watchers.

Didn't think of that, but I was wondering how succession was going to go with Kim Jong Il seemingly on his way out much sooner than his dear father departed.

On an unrelated and ridiculous note, did anyone see the kid doing a backflip kick to break boards at the end? If only American Protests were half as awesome...
 

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
pilot
Contributor
bunk22 said:
Where I'm at, there are no bases and thus I live out in town, with the Korean population. I would only offend people if I spoke out loud. I'll just say this, absolutely not impressed at all with the cultural, the people or their military.

I've noticed the same thing about the neck of the woods I'm in. Not impressed with what passes as the status quo here. Don't have a trash can nearby? Throw your garbage out the window. Gotta take a leak at 8 AM? Pull over and piss next to the food stand in broad daylight.

Things we take for granted as part of a civil society are not necessarily a given.
 

HeyJoe

Fly Navy! ...or USMC
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100722-N-0000X-002 PYEONGTAEK, Republic of Korea (July 22, 2010) Lt. Cmdr. Severn Stephens, assigned to Carrier Task Force (CTF) 70, embarked aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73), looks at damage to the Republic of Korea corvette (ROKS) Cheonan (PCC-772) at Pyeongtaek naval base. The ship sank March 26 near Baengnyeong Island. The Republic of Korea and the United States are scheduled to conduct the combined alliance maritime and air readiness exercise "Invincible Spirit" in the seas east of the Korean peninsula from July 25-28, 2010. This is the first in a series of joint military exercises that will occur over the coming months in the East and West Seas. (U.S. Navy Photo/Released)
 
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