I'll rephrase and clarify: some badass dudes did the Riverine thing, and went on to be Admirals and otherwise successes in life.
Mr Kerry does not count as an aforementioned badass dude.
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I'll rephrase and clarify: some badass dudes did the Riverine thing, and went on to be Admirals and otherwise successes in life.
Mr Kerry does not count as an aforementioned badass dude.
In Viet Nam, Riverine was a highly desireable set of orders for young officers. SWO jgs would be in command of several boats, and would have the opportunity for lots and lots of face-to-face combat time. The bad ones were quickly weeded out by the senior officers, and the good ones were absolutely fearless and aggressive. Watching them in action from the safety of 2500 feet was incredible.
My only question about modern Riverine forces would be, in what location would they operate? Where are we fighting in the midst of canals and rivers?
They already took over Riverine mission over from Marines who were doing it in Iraq and taking fire on a regular basis (I was at Center for Naval Security Forces today talking to their instructor cadre about ambushes and what they're seeing up river...these can be 4-6 hour missions with plenty of action).
See Navy Times Article
From Navy news release:
Navy’s First Riverine Squadron Deploys
13 March 2007
By Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice John K. Hamilton
Fleet Public Affairs Center Atlantic
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (NNS) -- Riverine Squadron (RIVRON) 1, based at Naval Amphibious Base (NAB) Little Creek deployed March 8 after a year of intense training with Marine forces.
The deployment marks the first for a riverine squadron since the Vietnam War.
More than 100 riverine Sailors deployed to the Middle East to integrate with Marines from the II Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF) to conduct maritime security operations (MSO) along rivers and other inland waterways: denying the use of the maritime environment as a venue for attack; a haven for insurgent activities; or the illegal transportation of weapons, people or material in Iraq.
“The combat skills training at Camp Lejune (N.C.) with the Marine Corps and firefight introductions training took us from ‘blue water Sailors’ -- open water Navy -- to become an expeditionary force,” said Cmdr. William Guarini, commanding officer of RIVRON 1.
“Our goal is to help the Marines and other units we’ll be working with to facilitate stability in the area,” said, Lt.j.g. Joshua Sprubeck, team officer for RIVRON 1.
Full of the mixed emotions that come with a deployment, members of the squadron feel they are ready to get underway.
“I’m kind of excited and kind of scared, but I’m ready to get over there and do my job,” said Intelligence Specialist 1st Class (SS) Michael Cherry.
Sprubeck echoed Cherry’s sentiments.
“We're feeling a little bit of excitement, a little bit of fear of the unknown but we're chomping at the bit to go. All the guys are ready to roll,” said Sprubeck.
RIVRON 1 received specialized training in a number of areas including cultural and language skills presented in realistic combat scenarios, and small unit riverine craft training -- all to help prepare them for the challenges they may face in the field.
“The training that we’ve received has been awesome,” said Chief Quartermaster (SW) Mike Gaspar, command career counselor for RIVRON 1. “There were a lot of young men that came here new to this kind of thing. They came here with open minds and did really well with the training that prepared us well for the mission."
Three riverine squadrons under one riverine group commander serve as a ready force for the Joint Force Maritime Component commander. Each squadron consists of specially designed craft configured to operate in a hostile environment. Water craft will have multiple crews for near continuous operations and lift capacity for a small tactical unit.
“These Sailors are ready to go,” said Guarini. “They are motivated to be here, they are excited, and they give me energy just seeing their enthusiasm.”
The Navy’s riverine force is part of the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC), a global force provider of adaptive force packages of expeditionary capabilities to joint warfighting commanders. NECC serves as a single functional command to centrally manage the current and future readiness, resources, manning, training, and equipping of the Navy Expeditionary Force.
Are you kidding? Did they change the curriculum at flight school, or was I just sick the day you had to design and build a new space shuttle?
I've seen some articulate expressions of the team mentality shared amongst sailors, but yours is by far the best. You must be quite special to have risen so far above those poor souls who have to work on ships in the Navy. Certainly only the lowest of the low should be forced to drive ships, in the United States Navy of all places. I mean, what kind of sense does that make.
Get ahold of yourself. Everyone has a part to play, and those who think their part more important than others generally detract from overall mission success.
In his case it means Diving Officer. The list of schools he listed is for EOD. After EOD school he has to do 2 years. ND/STC is the Naval Diving and Salvage Training Center (NDSTC). I'm not sure if the DIVO training includes diving and salvage like the 2C diving training does. The schools he has to attend all hit part the following:
Four areas:
- Explosive Ordnance Disposal
- Underwater Mine Counter-Measures
- Diving and Salvage
- Expendable Ordnance Management
You can find some more info here https://www.npdc.navy.mil/ceneoddive/ndstc/
Yes, you receive full credit for posting that nausiatingly, politically correct statement. Sounds like a quote straight out of the pre-command course.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with aspiring to be a career ship driver. However, it takes on a whole different meaning when you pissed away your golden opportunity, and you're detailed to drive a ship. If I were a SWO, I'd probably resent a guy who grudgingly checked in only because choice 1 and 2 were out.
By the way, I have a firm hold of myself. Before I started on my path of world domination, I spent my 90 days in the scullery, some time in ship's laundry, and my personal favorite, was my 2 month familiarization sloshing around in bowels of an ammo ship with my feet in a V. I'm guessing right about the time you were in Jr. High...
haha, you are quite the jackass.... you don't have the slightest idea who you are talking to
Stearmann has max street cred here for graduating from BUD/S, winning his Trident as a SEAL and then completing Army Flight School and now being assigned as a pilot with the 160th SOAR. Your bona fides are nothing compared to his, grasshopper. I recommend you do your homework before insulting one of the most combat experienced operators on AW.
I also recommend you rent Blackhawk Down or read the book and then reassess your opinion.
Joe missed the ship-riding paint chipper, and CH-46 crewchief/rescue swimmer. I love AW.
You're a fvckin moron...<<<ad hominem attack.
I seem to have angered the masses.
I've seen the single minded desire to become a naval aviator and the outcome rarely varies. If they're successful, it's bad because being an officer is secondary to flying. If they're not successful it's even worse because now they're thrust into a job they never intended on doing and being an officer is still low on their priority list.
While my post may have been politically correct, my intention was to comment on the dissension amongst different communities in the Navy. Fixed wing guys are more special than rotary wing guys, aviators or more special than SWOs, CRUDES guys are more special than Gator guys and so on. Politically correct or not, it affects their ability to work with each other, which affects their ability to work with the Marine Corps. Here's another politically correct statement for you to poke fun at: The military needs good leaders at all levels and in all areas, everything else is secondary (including what you fly, etc.)
While I don't apologize for what I said, I will say that I am sorry for the sarcastic manner in which I said it. That was uncalled for on my part.
I've seen the single minded desire to become a naval aviator and the outcome rarely varies. If they're successful, it's bad because being an officer is secondary to flying. If they're not successful it's even worse because now they're thrust into a job they never intended on doing and being an officer is still low on their priority list.
While my post may have been politically correct, my intention was to comment on the dissension amongst different communities in the Navy. Fixed wing guys are more special than rotary wing guys, aviators or more special than SWOs, CRUDES guys are more special than Gator guys and so on. Politically correct or not, it affects their ability to work with each other, which affects their ability to work with the Marine Corps. Here's another politically correct statement for you to poke fun at: The military needs good leaders at all levels and in all areas, everything else is secondary (including what you fly, etc.)
While I don't apologize for what I said, I will say that I am sorry for the sarcastic manner in which I said it. That was uncalled for on my part.