"Coddle" is just a word used to start a pissing match between disparate people over who had a harder life and whether being enlisted for 14 months or rowing boats for an Ivy League crew was harder/more 'blue collar.' It's a fight I generally avoid, and not because I generally avoid fights.
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phrogpilot73
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What a load of shit. I guarantee that I've met more Naval Academy grads than you EVER will. So, I still say that you're full of shit. And my Wife (yes, capitalized) hates the Academy and thinks you're full of shit.
One thing you've found? In what, flight school? How much fleet time do you have? Again, I think you don't know shit from shinola... Come talk to me when you have more time in the Navy than my Wife and I have deployed. I'll give you a hint - I'll talk to you in about 3 1/2 years. I wasn't coddled in Iraq (both times) and my Wife wasn't coddled in Baghdad.
At least you had something of value in your post.
Phrogpilot...not to defend the guy, but I think he's referring to training, and sacrificing good fleet reviews for trying to make a point, albeit a misguided one.
If you don't agree that early military training is way too easy to produce good officers from any but the people who can basically train themselves, well, you must be a Marine, in which specific case you are correct. Haha.
Either way, we can all agree that deployments and 'green ink' can do far more for real beyond-the-basics training than all the years of Boat School or Flight School.
And don't worry I wasn't knocking the capitalization, I do it with my Girlfriend as well.
If you don't agree that early military training is way too easy to produce good officers from any but the people who can basically train themselves, well, you must be a Marine, in which specific case you are correct. Haha.
Either way, we can all agree that deployments and 'green ink' can do far more for real beyond-the-basics training than all the years of Boat School or Flight School.
And don't worry I wasn't knocking the capitalization, I do it with my Girlfriend as well.
So how did "txrugger" pull off the old bait and switch?
He didn't
Note that if you are concerned about the kind of officer you will be based on how college is going, then you're already on the right path. Any half-wit can tie his shoes and put on a uniform in ninety seconds. Introspection, however, suggests intelligence...you can't get the answers if you don't first ask questions, even of yourself.
So if you (anyone) are having these thoughts at all, don't worry about the Boat School, because it's done its job. Just jump through the hoops and graduate. Being an American who cared enough to take the Oath of Office in the first place will do the rest, though some good sense and motor skills won't hurt...and listen to your noncoms.
Besides, the Academy is a land of sweets and joy...and joyness
So if you (anyone) are having these thoughts at all, don't worry about the Boat School, because it's done its job. Just jump through the hoops and graduate. Being an American who cared enough to take the Oath of Office in the first place will do the rest, though some good sense and motor skills won't hurt...and listen to your noncoms.
Besides, the Academy is a land of sweets and joy...and joyness
perspective
foo, for every person like you that hates where there at, there's about 20 people that applied and got denied to be where your at. the same is true for flight school. some times you got to sit back, realize you have a shot at something many dream about. write 'have fun' on your kneeboard, and enjoy the ride.
(look on the bright side, the food is free, you don't have to worry about what to wear in the morning, and at the end of the day your not in colorado springs.)
foo, for every person like you that hates where there at, there's about 20 people that applied and got denied to be where your at. the same is true for flight school. some times you got to sit back, realize you have a shot at something many dream about. write 'have fun' on your kneeboard, and enjoy the ride.
(look on the bright side, the food is free, you don't have to worry about what to wear in the morning, and at the end of the day your not in colorado springs.)
MasterBates
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Only 10%?
I'll give this another shot.
The other perspective from what dodge said is you would be doing yourself and others a disservice if you kept at it and decided 3 years later in flight school it isn't for you and dropped out then. Just because it is someone's dream in life or goal doesn't mean it also has to be yours. That should never be a reason to pursue something. You will waste your time, your instructors' time, your peers' time and fill a spot that someone who wanted to be there missed out on.
The other perspective from what dodge said is you would be doing yourself and others a disservice if you kept at it and decided 3 years later in flight school it isn't for you and dropped out then. Just because it is someone's dream in life or goal doesn't mean it also has to be yours. That should never be a reason to pursue something. You will waste your time, your instructors' time, your peers' time and fill a spot that someone who wanted to be there missed out on.
good point
@brett/MB: i suppose it's a lot like marriage, though i have no first hand knowledge. i'd bet the number is probably higher. :icon_wink
@riley: i agree with that 110 percent. my suggestion is make sure that quit/transfer for the right reasons. unfortanately, only you can figure that one out for yourself. having to be decisive sucks sometimes. such is life.
@brett/MB: i suppose it's a lot like marriage, though i have no first hand knowledge. i'd bet the number is probably higher. :icon_wink
@riley: i agree with that 110 percent. my suggestion is make sure that quit/transfer for the right reasons. unfortanately, only you can figure that one out for yourself. having to be decisive sucks sometimes. such is life.
I'm an Academy grad and I've known people who left and moved on to do other great things. If it's not for you, it's not for you. Military service isn't for everybody and there are other ways to be happy besides flying or blowing things up. I used to be one of those narrow-minded mids who looked down on people who "quit." You gotta step back, evaluate your life, and do what makes you happy. If I were you, I'd only stay if I wanted to serve. Otherwise, you have the answer in front of you. However, as others have pointed out, being an officer is a great opportunity and you get to do things only a small percentage of people even dream about. Don't torture yourself though. You need to look past the "USNA sucks" mentality and see if the military fits your life needs/goals to arrive at your answer.
phrogpilot73
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Well said... Well my tone may have been a bit harsh, it's basically what I was getting at. The Naval Academy is NOT the fleet or even the real military. However, it will prepare you for the opportunity to lead.