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Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)

Gatordev

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I'm curious, do you any of you have any experience flying with foreign pilots, whether in a PEP tour or otherwise? What was that like? (Kind of a purposely open ended question)

I've flown with Italians, Spaniards, Saudis, Aussies, Indians, and I think a Dane or two, although that flight may have been canceled...I can't remember. Each have their own style and varying level of skill they bring to the table. I always found it amusing that the Europeans, as a group, tended to approach the training as you would sterotypically expect, as a whole. But there would always be exceptions in each group that would surprise (both positively and negatively).
 

Flash

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There have been Brits and Germans at the VAQ RAG for as long as I can remember, and now there are Australians there and in Expeditionary fleet squadrons. They tend to send great folks.

That is a big change, used to be Navy policy to only have PEP folks in the RAGs and VT's and not operational squadrons.
 

Brett327

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Well, since the Aussies bought a bunch of Growlers, that's one way that they're training their initial cadre of folks to stand up their own squadrons. One of the VFA squadrons in my CVW has a Brit PEP guy - paddles and all.
 

Flash

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Well, since the Aussies bought a bunch of Growlers, that's one way that they're training their initial cadre of folks to stand up their own squadrons.

It makes perfect sense but it is still a significant change, not a bad one though I imagine the drinking game has been elevated in those wardrooms to new levels. I still remember the Aussie P-3 we hosted in Whidbey, the off-duty crew drank two coolers full of beer on their flight from Hawaii and then went straight to the O Club and drank 'til 0200 with some of us hosts, on a Tuesday.
 

DanMa1156

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Well, since the Aussies bought a bunch of Growlers, that's one way that they're training their initial cadre of folks to stand up their own squadrons. One of the VFA squadrons in my CVW has a Brit PEP guy - paddles and all.

My previous airwing had 2 Brits on board, one flying Hornets and the other Rhinos. One was Paddles qualified as well. This was in addition to 2 Brits on board that were our equivalent of senior AB(H?)'s and worked the flight deck all day and all night so they could bring the experience back to Britain who felt they had lost lots of proficiency of launching and recovering aircraft.
 

Brett327

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My previous airwing had 2 Brits on board, one flying Hornets and the other Rhinos. One was Paddles qualified as well. This was in addition to 2 Brits on board that were our equivalent of senior AB(H?)'s and worked the flight deck all day and all night so they could bring the experience back to Britain who felt they had lost lots of proficiency of launching and recovering aircraft.
I presume this program had its genesis when the UK was still buying C model JSF.
 

BigRed389

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They went with the B model, on account of having no traditional aircraft carriers.

Recall reading something a while back that said they wanted to embark USMC squadrons on their carriers. Don't know how the Marines feel about that.

And I mean above JO level evaluation criteria, where being on a ship with a fully stocked wardroom bar is automatically better than being on a ship with no bar.
 
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