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Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)
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There's actually a post in another thread where MB discusses his experiences in each community and how many good/bad COs he had in each. My takeaway was that he's about 50/50 on the above question. He liked half of them. Other half, not so much.
MasterBates
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Guys who deserved it:
All three CAGs. Guad, Trigger, Pappy
COs: Two HSL, Two VAW, 3 of 4 VT COs
OIC/DHs: All three OICs, about 70% of HSL DHs and 80% of VAW DHs.
Also all but one RAG CO.
That's a short list. There are more.
But the fuckers who could not lead a goose fed exlax to take a shit, they really stick with you.
Poor leaders tend to ne the ones who do the most of the "your career path is different you suck" or judge you by your lack of church involvement.
The good leaders cared that you were a decent human being, leader, officer, and pilot in that order.
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All three CAGs. Guad, Trigger, Pappy
COs: Two HSL, Two VAW, 3 of 4 VT COs
OIC/DHs: All three OICs, about 70% of HSL DHs and 80% of VAW DHs.
Also all but one RAG CO.
That's a short list. There are more.
But the fuckers who could not lead a goose fed exlax to take a shit, they really stick with you.
Poor leaders tend to ne the ones who do the most of the "your career path is different you suck" or judge you by your lack of church involvement.
The good leaders cared that you were a decent human being, leader, officer, and pilot in that order.
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Interesting. I have a little different take on one of those guys, but I guess that's to be expected.
phrogpilot73
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As an officer, I've been in one fleet squadron, one fleet infantry battalion, and one reserve squadron. That's a sample of 8 active duty COs, and 3 reserve COs. Of the 8 active duty COs, 3 were outstanding, 2 were just OK, and 3 I didn't trust any further than I could throw. Of the reserve COs, 1 was outstanding, 1 was just OK, and 1 was transparent in his desire to use the squadron to further his own career (and our maintenance readiness numbers proved it).
I think you've been lucky.
Or maybe you're just unlucky.
In that case, maybe Marine leadership just isn't up to Navy standards.That'd be Masterbates, Phrog I think has better luck
In that case, maybe Marine leadership just isn't up to Navy standards.
Ooooh, it's on now...
phrogpilot73
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There is slightly an element of that... Timing being a bitch and all. I checked out of the squadron (on the heels of one of the worst CO/XO pairs I've ever had to work for), and a month later there was a change of command. All the JOs still in the squadron told me he was one of the best CO's they've ever seen. He also fired the XO within a month of taking over as CO. And what happened to that XO? Let's see, he's a post O-5 command Colonel now. How does that work? Something about sustained superior performance?
Umm, since PSW's old commodore bragged that he got a NPLOC at every rank (to include during his O-5 command tour), I'm going to say NO.In that case, maybe Marine leadership just isn't up to Navy standards.
Had two before the end of my first tour - they don't mean anything until there's not an "N" in front of 'em
MasterBates
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A NPLOC was the last thing I was was given before my DD-214. Had been "clean" before that.
phrogpilot73
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I'd agree with you, and I'd argue that a NPLOC for a O-1 through even and O-4 is not that bad. But an O-5 in a command billet? Really?Had two before the end of my first tour - they don't mean anything until there's not an "N" in front of 'em
Oh, and for the record - PSW and I are both O-4s and both have ZERO NPLOCs...
I'm going to go out on a limb here (as dangerous as that might be) and say that guys who have received NPLOCs might (just might) have skewed point of view. Just out of curiosity, if you don't have a DUI on your record in the Marines, how might that play out?