Well, you know what they say. No smoking within 12 hours and no drinking within 50 feet of the aircraft.
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Stupid questions about Naval Aviation (Pt 2)
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Flight Planning can start waayyyy before brief and brief includes ALCON whereas Flight Planning may be a subset of individuals tasked to make it happen. Idea is they should be clear headed for obvious reasons.
MasterBates
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I'm interested to see how they define flight planning.
I often do my flight planning days in advance, then just tweak for Wx and mission changes day of. So I can't drink ever now?
Example: RI XC out of Krock to Mayport. I had all the planning done on Wednesday for a Friday departure. I can't drink 12 hours before looking at my charts?
I understand the INTENT of the way it is written, but I am just waiting for the 1st guy to get fried at a FNAEB for having a beer while looking over the charts for an AN or RI type hop, if it comes out in his 72 hour history.
I often do my flight planning days in advance, then just tweak for Wx and mission changes day of. So I can't drink ever now?
Example: RI XC out of Krock to Mayport. I had all the planning done on Wednesday for a Friday departure. I can't drink 12 hours before looking at my charts?
I understand the INTENT of the way it is written, but I am just waiting for the 1st guy to get fried at a FNAEB for having a beer while looking over the charts for an AN or RI type hop, if it comes out in his 72 hour history.
Funny thing about booze & flying --- one of my airlines used to enforce what was in effect a 24 hour bottle-to-throttle rule when you were on a trip. Hard & fast; if you got "caught", you got fired.
So you can imagine my amazement @ the crew hotel in Tokyo, when I first showed up there as a baby airline prima-donna under-worked long-haul flyin' international bus-drivin' big check collectin' SOB. ... as one could find 2-3 beer machines per floor. There, I think I covered most of the stereotypes ...
Needless to say, I was surprised, as company policy at the time basically FORBID any drinking on a 12-13 day Orient trip as CREW SKEDS always considered you "on call" and thus potentially available to re-sked even though you were on a bid pattern trip.
The (true) story goes: when one infamous CEO first made an inspection tour of the Tokyo base -- he demanded to know "What in the hell are these BEER MACHINES doing here!! I want them removed IMMEDIATELY!!"
Thereupon followed much hissing and sucking and bowing and scraping from the Jap-anese staff who promptly produced a summary of the profits said machines generated for the inspection of said CEO.
Result: the beer machines remained, were upgraded as the years went by, and a few more were installed. A later iteration of the hotel even included a "crew bar" .... nicknamed "Gary's Joint" by the crews in honor of the then CEO, as that individual had at one time been caught w/ a personal "smoking kit" when going through airport security ....
So you can imagine my amazement @ the crew hotel in Tokyo, when I first showed up there as a baby airline prima-donna under-worked long-haul flyin' international bus-drivin' big check collectin' SOB. ... as one could find 2-3 beer machines per floor. There, I think I covered most of the stereotypes ...
Needless to say, I was surprised, as company policy at the time basically FORBID any drinking on a 12-13 day Orient trip as CREW SKEDS always considered you "on call" and thus potentially available to re-sked even though you were on a bid pattern trip.
The (true) story goes: when one infamous CEO first made an inspection tour of the Tokyo base -- he demanded to know "What in the hell are these BEER MACHINES doing here!! I want them removed IMMEDIATELY!!"
Thereupon followed much hissing and sucking and bowing and scraping from the Jap-anese staff who promptly produced a summary of the profits said machines generated for the inspection of said CEO.
Result: the beer machines remained, were upgraded as the years went by, and a few more were installed. A later iteration of the hotel even included a "crew bar" .... nicknamed "Gary's Joint" by the crews in honor of the then CEO, as that individual had at one time been caught w/ a personal "smoking kit" when going through airport security ....
I thought it was Bottle to Throttle... Glad, I get the FAA (8 hour) limits..
Sierra changed it (I think...maybe it was Romeo).
MB,
I think the much bigger concern would be the "...free from effects." I understand your point, and have made the joke about it myself, but it is a human being doing the 72 hour look-see.
Can you be more specific?
Yep, by a few decades. Navy Phantoms got VTAS as did the AIM/ACEVAL Tomcats
AIM/ACEVAL Tomcats from VX-4 sporting Ferris camouflage paint scheme and VTAS helmets for the mid to late seventies testing at Nellis AFB.
Maybe I missed it, because I remember "Hozer"(sorry, couldn't remember his real name, even though he's a legend) talking about being a part of it, but what was AIM/ACEVAL? Was it like TOPGUN or was it more of a technology development program?
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Blutonski816
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You mean Joe "Hoser" Satrapa.
Here's the rundown on AIM/ACE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACEVAL/AIMVAL
Exactly. Thanks.
I thought I read this somewhere here but a few searches were fruitless... I was wondering what else a stud is required to do while in API, Primary, Advanced... other than being a stud? Do you have to report to some other "job" at any point, or is it pretty much understood that you're studying when your not flying or in class? Lastly, when waiting to class-up in between some of the phases what type of stuff are you doing?... just curious, thanks.
No. Besides stash jobs in between schools (if you get unlucky enough to be voluntold into one) there is nothing you do except study, fly and kick as much ass as possible.
Make no mistake about it: During flight school you are a STUDENT. You will pretty much not be treated like an officer. You will be treated like a small child who has to be babysat lest he drown face-down in 3 inches of water. All you can do is kick ass and not give them any excuse to treat you like a child more than they already do.
All of the above, and oh yeah, duty too. It's not a big deal, really. You work (depending on your squadron's scheduling office and policies) anywhere between 4 and 12 hours sitting behind a desk, answering phones, driving a van, or assisting an IP who's also on duty. If you're not scheduled for a flight or duty, your time is your own.
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