Tennessee votes to repeal ban on handguns in public buildings

[Lawman]

Im not calling you out or anything, just curious if you have any links to any cases where the less-than-stellar states went after the people shooting in self defense? Im interested to see how the hell you can get convicted for self defense (if that was the case). Thanks.

Lots of variables somebody can use to take an otherwise clean shoot and turn it against you.

-Did you do anything to escalate the situation into an exchange of force
-Did you responce inproperly to the threat (some punk yells give me your wallet but has no weapon visible and you shoot him)
-Did you have any previous dealings with the aggresor (fights, arguements, threats) For instance if you told your criminal neighbor if he comes near you one more time you'll kill him and the next day he comes at you with a pole it can be argued you helped create that situation.

These are just a few of the things Ive heard of. If a DA/County prosecutor or somebody above them wants to turn you into a political statement the best advice I can give you is get the best lawyer money can buy because your already at a disadvantage when you come in to any court case as the defendent (even though thats not the way the system is supposed to work). Plus most self defence cases are affirmative defences meaning you need to prove your case within a proponderance of evidence so its on you to prove yourself innocent.

 

[Brett327]

Im not calling you out or anything, just curious if you have any links to any cases where the less-than-stellar states went after the people shooting in self defense? Im interested to see how the hell you can get convicted for self defense (if that was the case). Thanks.

Concur. WA has very permissive gun laws, despite it's generally left-leaning politics. I think it has something to do with the 3/4 of the state east of the mountains which is rural and/or farmland.

Brett

 

[statesman]

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/tos/index1/C6/

The first post on this page mentions that the person was acquitted. However its not uncommon for people to be prosecuted when it is a clear cut case of self defense.

Kim's Dept of Righteous shootings has a pretty good list of people who have used guns in self defense.

 

[Herc_Dude]

Concur. WA has very permissive gun laws, despite it's generally left-leaning politics. I think it has something to do with the 3/4 of the state east of the mountains which is rural and/or farmland.

Brett

I know one thing ... it was easier to get my concealed weapon permit in WA than FL ... it was just a matter of filling out the paper work, finger prints and sending in a check. After a little background check, permit came in the mail.

And Brett, I would have to agree that it has to do with the fact that everyone outside the Seattle area are forest/farmland rural folk.

 

[statesman]

Ive heard that FL has a very easy CCW permit process... what makes it so difficult?

And I guess I jumped the gun on the state of WA. I was basing it more on their constitution. There is a troubling cause that seems to restrict militias.

 

[Herc_Dude]

Ive heard that FL has a very easy CCW permit process... what makes it so difficult?

And I guess I jumped the gun on the state of WA. I was basing it more on their constitution. There is a troubling cause that seems to restrict militias.

FL is not difficult by any means, but there is a whole class or training verification involved ... I would rather just sit at home and send away for my rights EDIT: Apparently just sending in a military ID photo copy with a few other things takes care of it... So I guess its just as easy. Wow, learn something everyday! http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/apply.html

Dont worry about the WA thing, Brett and I just have a connection to the state and take every chance to talk about how much we love it.

 

[Brett327]

FL is not difficult by any means, but there is a whole class or training verification involved ... I would rather just sit at home and send away for my rights

Dont worry about the WA thing, Brett and I just have a connection to the state and take every chance to talk about how much we love it.

Speaking of which, I'll be crossing the Columbia North-bound in < 5 weeks.

Brett

 

[statesman]

I'm as liberal (not the contemporary definition) as they come, but I still like the class, though I cant argue with states like VT (of all places) and AK that don't have any licensing process at all, they just let you carry. Texas has a 13 hour class that is required. If I had to get rid of one thing about the process it would be the finger printing. I see that as a violation of rights and a dangerous enterprise.

 

[xmid]

Georgia doesn't have a class per say, but I like the idea for no other reason than to let you know where you can NOT carry. Alot of people could ignorantly be charged with felonies simply because they do not know exactly where is legal to carry and where is illegal.

 

[Herc_Dude]

I'm as liberal (not the contemporary definition) as they come, but I still like the class, though I cant argue with states like VT (of all places) and AK that don't have any licensing process at all, they just let you carry. Texas has a 13 hour class that is required. If I had to get rid of one thing about the process it would be the finger printing. I see that as a violation of rights and a dangerous enterprise.

Im torn on the class thing. I've been shooting handguns and rifles my whole life as well as my Marine time, so some class is not really necessary. Im sure many of the shooting types here grew up the same way. However, there are those people out there who decide its time to start packin (God bless em) but have no idea how to handle a firearm - their only reference being the movie "Heat". There is no doubt they need a class to learn how to handle a pistol without blowing off their own leg (or worse, someone elses....). The only way to ensure that we educate these people is require education for all. At least it could be treated as just a refresher for those of us who know what we are doing.

The thing I don't get are the fees they require ... I can't justify those.

 

[raptor10]

Georgia doesn't have a class per say, but I like the idea for no other reason than to let you know where you can NOT carry. Alot of people could ignorantly be charged with felonies simply because they do not know exactly where is legal to carry and where is illegal.

From Packing.org not sure of the validity

California law has a gray area, a de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY, however, a clear exception exists. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND it is registered to you AND you are not a gang member (yes, there is a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest, then concealed carry is a misdemeanor. A typical fine is $200.

 

[Lawman]

The Class does provide a great legal tool for a lot of people. Given that a civil action is almost assured after a shoot whether it was ruled on criminally or not its a great way to demonstrate to a group of your "peers" that you are not some crazy gun toting nut hell bent on shooting somebody. If you come from a background that is not military or LEO that can be very important as many people sitting on a jury or judges for that matter see you as a gun owner as the hell bent crazy guy bound and determined to kill somebody the first chance he gets (ask around and tell me if you want to take that chance). With the class you have the benefit of being able to put a licensed certified firearms instructor on the stand who can tell those people judging your decision that in his opinion you did exactly what you were trained to do in accordance with the legal statues of the state.

Also... try not to use anything "Scary" that you may someday have to hold up in a court room. Shotguns and revolvers dont scare people that bad, AR-15's with 800 dollars worth of toys have a tendency to do that when your an accountant or dental hygenist.

 

[Herc_Dude]

Also... try not to use anything "Scary" that you may someday have to hold up in a court room. Shotguns and revolvers dont scare people that bad, AR-15's with 800 dollars worth of toys have a tendency to do that when your an accountant or dental hygenist.

$800 is not nearly enough to get the real good add-on toys

 

[A4sForever]

..... AR-15's with 800 dollars worth of toys have a tendency to do that (scare people) when your an accountant or dental hygenist.

Concur with Devil Dog (above) ... if you're gonna do it, do it right. Some of the "bling" that I "might" put on a Black Rifle rings up at the cash register well in excess of $1K .... then to make matters worse, you have to throw in a rifle, as well.

Too much $$$??? Naaaaa ..... you can't take the $$$$ with you ... although I AM working on a program to remedy that little detail.

 

[statesman]

Give me an AR-15 and an ACOG and I'm good to go. I was never a big fan of the vertical grips, rails, etc.