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The Army getting even softer!

Bighead

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Marching Orders
To Keep Recruits,
Boot Camp Gets
A Gentle Revamp
Army Offers More Support,
Sleep, Second Helpings;
Drill Sergeants' Worries
'It Would Look So Much Nicer'

By GREG JAFFE
February 15, 2006; Page A1
FORT LEONARD WOOD, Mo. -- New recruits used to be welcomed to boot camp here with the "shark attack." For decades, drill sergeants in wide-brim hats would swarm around the fresh-off-the-bus privates, shouting orders. Some rattled recruits would make mistakes. A few would cry.
Today, the Army is opting for a quieter approach. "I told my drill sergeants to stop the nonsense," says Col. Edward Daly, whose basic-training brigade graduates about 11,000 soldiers a year. Last fall, Col. Daly began meeting with all new recruits shortly after they arrive at boot camp to thank them. "We sincerely appreciate the fact that you swore an oath and got on a bus and did it in a time of war," he recently told an incoming class. "That's a big, big deal." He usually is accompanied by two male and two female soldiers, who can answer questions the recruits may have.
"The idea is to get rid of the anxiety and worry," Col. Daly says.
The new welcome is a window on the big changes sweeping boot camp, the Army's nine-week basic training. For most of its existence, boot camp was a place where drill sergeants would weed out the weak and turn psychologically soft civilians into hardened soldiers. But the Army, fighting through one of its biggest recruiting droughts, now is shifting tactics. Boot camp -- that iconic American experience -- may never be the same.
Once-feared drill sergeants have been ordered to yell less and mentor more. "Before, our drill sergeants' attitude was 'you better meet my standard or else.' Now it's 'I am going to do all I can to assist you in meeting the Army standard,' " says Command Sgt. Maj. William McDaniel, the senior enlisted soldier here.
New privates are getting more sleep and personal time. Even the way soldiers eat has changed. Drill sergeants long ordered overweight soldiers to stay away from soda and desserts. Today, soldiers at Fort Leonard Wood fill out a survey about their boot-camp experience that asks, among other questions, if they liked the food, whether they were "allowed to eat everything on the menu, including dessert," and whether there was enough for seconds.
Recruits still must meet the same basic standards and pass the same tests for physical fitness and marksmanship to graduate, say Army officials. But more variable criteria that in the past might get a recruit expelled -- such as whether a drill sergeant thinks a recruit has the discipline and moral values to be a soldier -- have been jettisoned. "Now it doesn't matter what the drill sergeant thinks. We work off of the written standard," says Capt. Christopher Meng, who oversees a company of 11 drill sergeants and about 200 recruits at the base.
The new approach is helping the Army graduate more of its recruits. Last month, only 23 recruits failed to make the cut at Fort Leonard Wood's largest basic-training brigade, compared with 183 in January 2004. Army-wide, about 11% of recruits currently flunk out in their first six months of training, down from 18% last May.
Full Potential
Senior Army officials say attrition has fallen because the new techniques are helping more soldiers reach their full potential. "This generation responds to a more positive leadership approach. They want to serve and they want people to show respect for that decision," says Maj. Gen. Randal Castro, the commanding general at Fort Leonard Wood. Smarter training also is preventing injuries, Army doctors say.
Some drill sergeants worry that the "kinder and gentler approach" -- as drill sergeants have dubbed the changes -- is producing softer soldiers. "If the privates can't handle the stress of a drill sergeant yelling at them, how will they handle the stress of bullets flying over their head?" asked Staff Sgt. Clayton Nagel as he watched his recruits file past him in the Fort Leonard Wood dining hall. "War is stressful. I think we overcorrected."
The Army's decision to overhaul basic training came last spring. The service was having a hard time bringing in new recruits. It ultimately missed its 2005 recruiting goals for active-duty troops by 7,000 soldiers, or 8%, and National Guard soldiers by 13,000 or 20%.
Meanwhile, boot-camp attrition was climbing. New soldiers brought in to replace those who were tossed out weren't much better. "We realized that the further you go into the barrel, the lower the quality," says Col. Kevin Shwedo, a senior officer in the Army's Training and Doctrine Command in Virginia.
A team of 20 officers from the Army's training command was formed to figure out how the service could help more soldiers survive the first six months. They consulted sociologists and psychiatrists and even flew in MTV's senior vice president of strategy and planning, in search of fresh ideas for motivating today's youth.
The changes, put in place this fall at all five of the Army's basic-training camps, are apparent the moment recruits step off the bus at Fort Leonard Wood. On a chilly Tuesday in January, about 200 new recruits in white Army sweat suits filed into a big auditorium on the base for one of Col. Daly's welcome-to-the-Army talks. Staff Sgt. Mike Gilmore grabbed a microphone and told the recruits what was going to happen: "The brigade commander is going to talk to you. He is a colonel. He is way up here. You are way down here," Sgt. Gilmore explained.
He then coached the recruits on how to spring to attention when Col. Daly entered the room. "When I say 'attention,' you stand up. That's it. You don't say nothing. You do it quietly as possible."
"Attention!" Sgt. Gilmore ordered. The recruits rose slowly and unevenly.
"Could we all just stand up together?" Sgt. Gilmore said, sounding more let down than angry. "It would look so much nicer."
A few minutes later, Col. Daly, a Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan and was awarded a Purple Heart after being wounded in the U.S. invasion of Panama, strode into the room. He told the recruits to take a deep breath and a swig from their canteens. "There is no problem that you might have that in last 230 years the Army hasn't already heard," he said.
The recruits then got 40 minutes to fire questions at the four privates accompanying Col. Daly. One recruit asked if any of the privates had failed the Army's physical-fitness test. (Two struggled with it but eventually passed.) Others wanted to know how often they got to talk on the phone (once a week), how long they got for showers (five minutes) and how many hours of sleep they got a night (8 hours). A few asked if they had any regrets about enlisting. All four said no.
Too Easy
After the session, Pvt. Angela Holmquest, one of the privates brought in to answer questions, said she worried that basic training had become too easy. "The drill sergeants tell us we are in the low-stress Army. I'd rather be in the old Army. When we need to lock it up and work together as a team we can. But we should be more disciplined than we are," she said.
In recent months, the Army has told drill sergeants to back off the recruits in the dining halls as well. A few months ago, sergeants would hover over new recruits, rushing them through meals, quizzing them about Army regulations and chastising them for minor infractions like carrying their drinking glass with one hand instead of two.
The dining hall still is far from relaxing. But drill sergeants no longer shout at recruits. They aren't allowed to order overweight privates to skip dessert. At first, some drill sergeants refused to embrace the new directive. "There was a lot of balking on the dessert rule," says Capt. Meng, who oversees 11 drill sergeants. "I have had to say, 'Don't even mention it.' "
The Army also has cut the amount of running troops do in boot camp by more than 60% in the past three years. "A lot of these kids have never done P.E. or sports. We were injuring too many by running too much," says Col. Greg Jolissaint, an Army physician with the command that sets baseline standards for boot camp.
Instead of running, privates do more calisthenics and stretching. They also are spending more time learning the basic combat tasks they will need in Iraq or Afghanistan, such as how to spot a roadside bomb. Last month, Sgt. First Class Kevin Staddie, who spent a year in Iraq, was teaching soldiers how to move through a city under enemy fire. Suddenly he called a halt to the exercise. A private who was slithering on his belly lost his only canteen. Sgt. Staddie asked the private if he knew the temperature in Baghdad in August.
"It is 115 degrees," the sergeant said in an even voice. "Will you give me a solemn promise that you'll do a better job securing your canteen? You'll get a whole lot further."
The private nodded and rushed to continue the exercise.
Soldiers also get a few more chances to succeed, say drill sergeants. Not long after she arrived at boot camp, Pvt. Starr Mosley was accused by another soldier of writing letters home when she was supposed to be training. Her drill sergeant ordered the 18-year-old private to crawl on her belly through the barracks and chant: "I will not write letters in the war room."
Pvt. Mosley, who said she wasn't writing letters, refused. The Army offered her a fresh start in a new platoon. There she struggled to meet the service's marksmanship standards, her drill sergeant says. Sgt. Darren Baker, her new drill sergeant, spent hours coaching her. "Without him I would have quit," Pvt. Mosley says. "He was down there in the dirt helping me."
A year ago, a drill sergeant wouldn't have taken as much time working with one struggling soldier. Today it is part of the job. "We're all working more one-on-one with the privates," Sgt. Baker says.
Soldiers with certain medical conditions get more help as well. Recruits with mild asthma now are allowed to carry inhalers with them. Privates who come to the Army with a history of mild depression now can take Paxil or Zoloft. Both changes, pushed through last fall, are "contributing to the lower attrition overall," says Col. Jolissaint, the physician.
Some basic-training facilities also are setting up special units for soldiers who are hurt or out of shape. In August, Col. Daly created a "Warrior Rehab" unit for injured recruits. Before the unit's creation, soldiers hurt during training often would go home to heal. The vast majority never came back.
Soldiers in Warrior Rehab practice marksmanship, take classes on map reading and do low-impact workouts in the base's indoor pool. So far, 170 soldiers have passed through the program. Only 30 have quit basic training.
Last month, about 40 members of the unit gathered in their barracks for a class on how to ambush the enemy with an M-18 Claymore antipersonnel mine. The troops included Pvt. Matthew Brent, a 29-year-old former hotel manager, who enlisted because he "wanted a personal challenge." He came to boot camp overweight at 5-foot-10, 220 pounds and quickly went down with tendinitis in his ankle. In his five months in Warrior Rehab, Pvt. Brent has lost 57 pounds.
Next to him was Pvt. Richard Hodgson, who has been with the rehab unit since it started in August, trying to recover from stress fractures. He was having doubts about his ability to stick it out. "I've just lost my motivation. I was supposed to have graduated in September and I am still stuck here," he said. The sergeants in Warrior Rehab have been working hard to convince him to stay. "I've had a few mother-son type conversations with him," says Staff Sgt. Nicole Waters, one of the drill sergeants. "We talk about his goals in life. This job is a lot more mental than the typical drill sergeant job."
Not all Army commanders have embraced the new approach to basic training. Col. Daly says one of the 14 company commanders he oversees is a "gung-ho combat arms officer, who right now is just killing me."
Recently, one of that commander's recruits brought a round of live ammunition back from the rifle range, which isn't allowed. The bullet was found by a drill sergeant in the barracks common room. As punishment, the commander ordered the entire unit, which numbers 60 soldiers, to don their helmets when eating in the dining facility. He then threatened to send all the privates, who were just two weeks from graduation, back to the beginning of basic training.
Col. Daly bristled when he heard about the threat. "I am not going to keep 60 soldiers back because one guy made a mistake," the colonel says he told the commander.
Instead, Col. Daly ordered the commander to have his drill sergeants do a better job of searching the recruits' pockets for extra ammunition when they leave the range.
"The commander's leadership style has got to change," says Col. Daly, noting that the commander's recruits have gone absent without leave at more than twice the rate of any other unit in the past two months.
Even among those units that have embraced the new approach, there is debate about whether the changes have been too much, too fast. "It's a hot topic," says Capt. Meng, another one of Col. Daly's company commanders.
Like many of his fellow commanders, Capt. Meng spent a year in Iraq, in a tour that ended in 2004. He was second in command of a 100-soldier armor company. In the past six months, the West Point graduate has been in the forefront in reducing attrition, overseeing drill sergeants and recruits.
Last month, a few dozen of Capt. Meng's privates clambered onto olive-green trucks for one of their final boot-camp exercises. The troops, traveling in an Iraq-style convoy, were "hit" by a series of smoke-spewing roadside bombs. Enemy fighters, represented by pop-up targets, sprung from nearby prairie grass. A broad-shouldered drill sergeant ordered a counterattack.
Instead of leaping off the back of the truck, as they would in a typical exercise, or in actual combat, the privates waited about 10 seconds for someone to walk to the back of the truck and place a ladder on its rear bumper. They then climbed down the 5-foot drop, one at a time.
Falling Short
Capt. Meng conceded it wasn't realistic. He said the Army couldn't afford to have privates twist ankles and wrench knees just a few days before their final physical fitness test. "A few months ago attrition was seen as a good thing," he says. "It meant we were sending higher quality troops to the Army."
Now he says he is racking his brain for new ways to motivate more soldiers who are falling short of the Army's standards. He recently petitioned Col. Daly to let his troops have an extra half-hour of sleep on top of the 30 minutes of additional shuteye all recruits were granted last fall. Standard boot camp sleeping hours are now 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. His troops rise at 5:30 a.m.
"It has been great for morale," Capt. Meng says. "A soldier's happiness is directly proportional to the amount of sleep he gets."
The Iraq veteran says his boot-camp troops are in many ways better prepared for combat than their predecessors were. They spend far more time working with their M-16 rifles and more time in the field training on critical combat tasks like defending a base camp from insurgent attacks.
Asked if his soldiers are as disciplined and tough as their predecessors, Capt. Meng pauses. "There are some who feel we are not sending as high a quality soldier to the Army....I am not smart enough to tell you," he says.
In the near term, he has other worries. "The commanding general's No. 1 priority here is to support the war," he says. "In order to do that right now we have to graduate more privates."
 

S.O.B.

Registered User
pilot
That’s awesome. Don’t take the fat kids dessert away he might quit. Perfect! Wonder how Army OCS is going. I'm sure it’s very challenging.
 

batman527

Banned
This is a Washington Post article, for anyone who cares. I love the part where the tough guy Instructor gets reprimanded for being tough. We don't want to hurt any new army private's feelings now, do we?
 

ChuckMK23

FERS and TSP contributor!
pilot
I don't think your comments are looking at the big picture. Remember the Army is a huge organization -very diverse. ANd they need bodies - all types of entry level bodies. Not all, or even a majority will be front line warriors. The opening gate is certainly lower than the Marine Corp - sure - but it's apples and oranges. The Army needs to teach young people very practical skills that they can put to use quickly.

As long as we need to balance a alrge standing army along with an all volunteer force, we need to find compromises.

The ideal Army would be based on Robert Heinleins book Starship Troopers. But we need a little revolution first :)

"Robert A. Heinlein’s 1959 novel Starship Troopers has been called one of the most controversial
science fiction works ever written. Few who are familiar with science fiction as a whole would dis-
agree. Although it contains no sex and no bad language, this relatively short novel contains the
detailed exposition of several ideas that have proven almost explosively controversial, within the
realm of science fiction and without.
Central to the controversy is the book’s notion that a voting franchise must be earned by a
would-be citizen. A franchise is not given to anyone, for any reason, until they have served a term
(defined in the book as two years) in Federal Service. The book makes clear that the great majority of
citizens do not bother with a term or a franchise; indeed, the protagonist’s father is a wealthy and
successful businessman who is proud of his family’s hundred-year record of non-service. The govern-
ment makes no attempt to recruit or entice volunteers; in fact, they work at dissuading would-be
inductees by emphasizing the hard and brutal nature of service and the fact that those who enlist
have no choice of service—they put themselves entirely at the government’s mercy for the duration
of their term.
The minimum age of enlistment is eighteen, male or female, and there appears to be no upper
limit. The protagonist’s father, past forty, enlists later in the book. No one may interfere with a deci-
sion to enlist. In the words of the protagonist, Juan Rico, early in the book, after his best friend Carl
has announced his intention to enlist:
So I told [Carl] I was joining up, too.
He gave me an odd look. “Your old man won’t let you.”
“Huh? How can he stop me? And of course he couldn’t, not legally. It’s the first completely
free choice anybody gets (and maybe his last); when a boy, or a girl, reaches his or her eigh-
teenth birthday, her or she can volunteer and nobody else has any say in the matter. [Ch. II,
p.21]
Furthermore, it is made clear that no citizen who wants to enlist can be turned down for any rea-
son, except for lacking the mental competence to understand the decision. The doctor giving Juan
his induction physical examination makes this plain:
I asked one of the doctors what percentage of the victims flunked the physical. He looked
startled. “Why, we never fail anyone. The law doesn’t permit us to.”
“Huh? I mean, excuse me, Doctor? Then what’s the point of this goose-flesh parade?”
“Why, the purpose is […] to find out what duties you are physically able to perform. […]
The only way you can fail is by having the psychiatrists decide that you are not able to under-
stand the oath.” [Ch. II, p.29]
 

AllAmerican75

FUBIJAR
None
Contributor
Starship Troopers is a great book, but I don't believe that it will ever come to fruition. My contention with this whole thing is the lowering of the standards that will occur because of a lack of qualified candidates. By making Basic easier, you don't have the same weeding-out process that separates the wheat from the chaff. This invariably will allow more sub-par performers in, which will mean less people qualified for say SF School, Rangers, etc. These communities, who are already hurting because of attrition, will then have to lower their standards to get more candidates. You won't end up with the same product as before. The sub-par performers will still be sub-par, but now they'll just be highly qualified lardos.
Frankly, I don't see why the Army feels it needs to make boot camp easier. Not everybody is cut out to be in the military, and it has long been my view that one of the purposes of Basic is to single out those that don't have the drive, stamina, or ability to be in the military. As has already been mentioned, this is just going to create bodies, not proficient soldiers.


Just my $.02
 

brickwall

K/1 2004, ?/? 2006
This is crazy

Bighead said:
...and even flew in MTV's senior vice president of strategy and planning, in search of fresh ideas for motivating today's youth...

...The Army also has cut the amount of running troops do in boot camp by more than 60% in the past three years. "A lot of these kids have never done P.E. or sports. We were injuring too many by running too much," says Col. Greg Jolissaint, an Army physician with the command that sets baseline standards for boot camp...

...Her drill sergeant ordered the 18-year-old private to crawl on her belly through the barracks and chant: "I will not write letters in the war room."
Pvt. Mosley, who said she wasn't writing letters, refused...:eek:

...Recently, one of that commander's recruits brought a round of live ammunition back from the rifle range, which isn't allowed. The bullet was found by a drill sergeant in the barracks common room. As punishment, the commander ordered the entire unit, which numbers 60 soldiers, to don their helmets when eating in the dining facility. He then threatened to send all the privates, who were just two weeks from graduation, back to the beginning of basic training. Col. Daly bristled when he heard about the threat. "I am not going to keep 60 soldiers back because one guy made a mistake," the colonel says he told the commander. Instead, Col. Daly ordered the commander to have his drill sergeants do a better job of searching the recruits' pockets for extra ammunition when they leave the range...

...Last month, a few dozen of Capt. Meng's privates clambered onto olive-green trucks for one of their final boot-camp exercises. The troops, traveling in an Iraq-style convoy, were "hit" by a series of smoke-spewing roadside bombs. Enemy fighters, represented by pop-up targets, sprung from nearby prairie grass. A broad-shouldered drill sergeant ordered a counterattack. Instead of leaping off the back of the truck, as they would in a typical exercise, or in actual combat, the privates waited about 10 seconds for someone to walk to the back of the truck and place a ladder on its rear bumper. They then climbed down the 5-foot drop, one at a time...

..Standard boot camp sleeping hours are now 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. His troops rise at 5:30 a.m. "It has been great for morale," Capt. Meng says. "A soldier's happiness is directly proportional to the amount of sleep he gets..."

1. MTV?!?!?!?!? Because MTV is SOOOOOO enthusiastic about our military anyway, and of course they know how to train our nation's defenders (and I, now, am using that term lightly about the new recruits. If you are already in the army, don't take this as a shot at you).

2. Because, as soldiers, they'll never do an excessive amount of running or have to deal with shin splints on the battlefield. "Excuse me sir? I can't charge because I have shin splints. Can I just stay back here?"

3. I'd like to see ANYONE try that in either Marine Recruit Training or OCS. They'll be on the bus so fast...

4. As we all know, it's the drill instructor's duty to play mommy to the recruits and NOT punish them if they do something wrong. It's all the D.I.'s fault anyway, why should we punish the recruits?

5. "Let's not try to make the recruits as prepared as possible, let's keep them safe and happy. If you injure yourself on a 5 foot controlled drop anyway...
"Uh, sir? I don't want to risk my PFT time so can you put a ladder up on the O course so I don't have to jump down?" Right.

6. Ladies and gentlemen, let's keep all the recruits happy. Don't push them to be able to survive on less sleep. Don't make them do physically exhausting stuff...oh you know, like the gauntlet, or (to a lesser extent) SULE II. We all know out in the field everyone will get 8+ hours of sleep and three squares a day. Oh, wait...

If I'm wrong about any of these, I apologize, and let me know...I don't want to make any remarks that aren't accurate.
 

sarnav

Registered User
So is that at all bases? Like Chuck said the Army is a big machine. I would hope that this is more the support MOSs but you never know. I have always been told that guys who go infantry receive much harder training (as it should be) and as easy as Army basic gets it will be nowhere near the joke that Navy or Air Force boot camp has become (apples and oranges I know). This was bound to happen with the recruitment problem, hopefully the turds that it keeps in learn real fast when they get to combat or it will turn into another mess all together.
 

Slammer2

SNFO Advanced, VT-86 T-39G/N
Contributor
"...But the Army, fighting through one of its biggest recruiting droughts, now is shifting tactics..."

Lame. I'm sure if I lower my standards for women, then the number I've slept with will go up. I guess I can understand the part about wanting more people to graduate, but what happens to them if they develop problems working under stress and tweak out when it matters? What if somehow they end up ambushed or have to fight? I guess in a year or so we're gonna have a representative from the ACLU and Mothers of America in each platoon just to, you know, monitor...
 

USMCBebop

SergeantLieutenant
I first saw this B.S. on the Army forum on Military.com. Someone told me the vision of the "Warrior Ethos" for soldiers is turning into the "Warrior Pathos." We might laugh and giggle at this, but in reality, it's not funny because soldiers are supposed to relieve Marines after the latter is done taking an objective.

Oh well, at least Ft Benning isn't affected (at least not yet). But every entry level soldier should receive identical training. Not because one isn't combat arms, that they should take it easy on them.
 

Angel18

NAPSter all the way
I don't know weather to laugh at the army or cry for the country. This is really depressing because it means the beginning of the end of our military.
 

raptor10

Philosoraptor
Contributor
The END of the ARMY and the beginning of a revamped NAVY AND MARINE CORPS TEAM!

-I Really dislike the Army and Airforce, for no good reason.
 

highlyrandom

Naval Aviator
pilot
So here's the philosophical question: you're an army DI, and this sheeit lands on your desk...at what point does it become worth it to resign, refuse to implement the low standards and coddling, and try to get your DI buddies to resign with you in protest?

Answer: It's never worth it...honorable or not, you're under orders for a certain period, you have a wife and two kids who need the military for support, and you stop caring because at least your boot camp wasn't like this.

There are exceptions as always, but that there's your tragedy in this whole matter: you can't care, because you don't make the rules and you still want to keep your job.
 
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