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The end of NATO?

sevenhelmet

Quaint ideas from yesteryear
pilot
Dollar policy reminds me of the Plaza Accords of 1985 whereby President Reagan forced Germany, France, the UK and Japan to help depreciate the US dollar. One of the people involved in that was Robert Lighthizer, who was Trump’s US Trade Representative in his first term. Lighthizer’s former chief of staff has that position now.


The key difference there is we were in a recession at that time. Today's current policy decisions are far more likely to cause a recession.

It's also worth noting that the Plaza accords killed the domestic automotive industry. Not exactly confidence-inspiring if one's goal is the resurgence of American manufacturing.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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Super Moderator
Contributor
Trump occasionally says ridiculous stuff that has a nugget of truth to it. Is there a specific policy U.S. foreign policy position espoused by the Obama / Biden administration that would have influenced Putin to invade specifically in 2014 and then again in 2022, or is it really just coincidence?

I think it is a bit arrogant to assume that we could have somehow prevented Russia's invasions of Ukraine short of getting directly involved. Sometimes dictators are just going to dictate, no matter outside influences.

It is an oxymoron to claim that Russia is a backwards-ass military that can't successfully conduct large-scale operations against a neighboring country the fraction if its size and also to claim that Russia is a threat to global hegemony in 2025.

If you believe Russia is closer to North Korea in global capabilities and its only trump card is to saber-rattle its nuclear arsenal, then there's no reason for the U.S. to pay much attention to them.

While Russia has gotten bogged down in Ukraine they've kept at it now for over three years, showing a very Russia-like resilience in the face of grievous losses on the battlefield. They also retain significant tactical and strategic forces that still directly threaten not only Europe but the US as well. Failure to 'pay attention to them' would be a serious mistake.

And outside of people military circles, aid to Ukraine / Russian containment is a very tough sell.

Not sure what 'people military circles' means but containment of Russia is a pretty universal and widely supported policy by almost all of Europe, political and military. If you mean the US, our support to Ukraine still retains the support of the majority of the US people.
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
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Super Moderator
Contributor
Dollar policy reminds me of the Plaza Accords of 1985 whereby President Reagan forced Germany, France, the UK and Japan to help depreciate the US dollar. One of the people involved in that was Robert Lighthizer, who was Trump’s US Trade Representative in his first term. Lighthizer’s former chief of staff has that position now.


I think it's amusing that you think there is some sort of a actual plan, seems to be more like a concept of several so far depending on the day or hour.
 

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
Nothing to see here, just another pro-Russia stooge taking a high position in our government...

In early 2022, Martin told an interviewer on...RT’s global network that “there’s no evidence” of a Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s borders, criticizing U.S. officials as warmongering and ignoring Russia’s security concerns. Russia invaded nine days later...

Martin is now interim U.S. attorney for D.C. and Trump’s pick to serve full time in the role...he appeared more than 150 times on RT and Sputnik — networks funded and directed by the Russian government — as a guest commentator from August 2016 to April 2024.

Martin did not disclose the appearances last month on a Senate Judiciary Committee questionnaire, which asks nominees to list all media interviews.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
Russia doesn't have to be a threat to global hegemony for us to surrender it. That's what I find so frustrating about this- the dollar and our standard of living are being actively sabotaged, simply because of DJT's feelings. All while people go "Russia isn't that big of a deal", effectively enabling the behavior. It's not 4D chess- it's pride, anger, and a studied ignorance.

After watching the last administration F away the Afghan withdrawal, I think it's high time for someone younger than 60 to be in the office. Our national politics are selling us all up the river for a few old rich guys to get temporarily richer before they die.
We can only surrender global hegemony if we're surrendering it to someone, and Russia ain't it.

Trump's foreign policy wrt Ukraine is not related to his relatively radical economic policies.

I agree that we generally should elect Presidents who are between 50 - 60 years of age. However, one thing to note is that Trump has a relatively young cabinet. The VP, SECDEF, and DNSA are elder millenials (according to the cutoffs that the media ret-conned) while many of his other prominent cabinet members were born in the 1970s. So despite being old, Trump has a vision to shake up the status quo in DC and is using young people to do it.

I think that a lot of Trump's platform (meaning, desired end states) will stick around with the GOP after he leaves office, even if the people pursuing them become more measured at implementing policy. He is closer to a tea party / libertarian than a typical post-Reagan republican. Nikki Haley's campaign was very much an old-guard Dick Cheney type Republican platform and it fell completely flat among voters in the primary. There is a potential that without Trump's charisma - whereupon people are willing to ride his coattails to fast-track their careers up the political ladder - that the GOP fractures itself until the old people in Congress retire or die.
 
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SemperFiFamilialLoyalty

In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor
Setting aside the absolute immorality of giving the Ukrainians enough to bleed human lives, just not bleed to death, there is zero advantage in this case. Ask around the Pentagon and you will find people deeply worried about our weapons stockpiles but also concern over the first risk rule of proxy wars…escalation. In our history, Vietnam is the best example of escalation that went from munitions to advisors to open combat.

Obama hoped to break the escalation chain by not answering Russia’s initial aggression. Biden altered course and went from logistical aid, to military weapons and on to training and advisory roles (albeit out of country). Now consider even the best case: America provides enough lethal aid to allow Ukraine to make rapid gains and sustainable gains. Russia would have every incentive to respond, ratcheting up the stakes and costs of the conflict. How far would the United States be willing to go to counter Russia’s increased commitment? In a cycle of escalation and counter-escalation, it is difficult to conceive of a situation where the United States would be willing to risk more than Russia over Ukraine (meaning no POTUS will seriously consider sending in troops). If we intervene on behalf of a proxy without clarity as to how far we are willing to go, and how important their security is to our own, doesn’t that set us and our partners up for failure?
My 2 cents worth; never say never. I just hope no POTUS ever does that. We've had our Nam and our Nam 2.0 in Iraq and Afghanistan. We all know how those went and don't want a repeat. Ukraine would have to be made to think the small win is worth it because right now they're banking on Uncle Sam to send supplies.
As far as NATO is concerned, each country has their own agenda and it's a boxing ring. The U.S. would be wise telling them to start pulling their own weight in funding, arms & manpower and to keep a hard no to Ukraine joining. That might wake everyone up. On the flip side it could just push them to become even more nationalistic and start a little game of: "I do more etc." "no I do more". etc.
 
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