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The end of NATO?

Lawman

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From Foreign Policy, one possibility of a NATO - Russia conflict:

Neither of the forces fighting in Ukraine are capable of conducting deep shaping in the division/corps battle space.

That said, a whole lot of our NATO partners cannot be adjacent supporting units to add to combat power due to the speed of staff they can achieve. The Brit’s or French can live in the ATO cycle and their ground brigades can keep up, but the Poles, Greeks, or Italians would be well and truly F’d. And unfortunately due to NATO not wanting to call out the lack of capabilities across its formations and staffs or provide a central priorities of effort to each participating partner it’s gonna be crap show if it ever has to work together.

The whole 5:1 advantage in the offense isnt just a numbers game, it’s an ability to wield a guidon that is echelons above what your opponent and coordinate and wield. NATO can’t do that as a whole. Oh, and to conduct the offense you have to have the ammunition and resources to consume which NATO has a real problem with.
 

taxi1

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I think it runs deeper than that.

The Democrats were slow to come around to gay / lesbian rights. Clinton institutes don't ask / don't tell and signs DOMA into law. Bush largely ignores the issue (and the military starts to follow suit), then Obama runs a campaign where he states he won't touch DOMA. A year or so after taking office, he reverses course and the Democrats suddenly become the champions of LGBQ.

There are many on the Democrat side of the spectrum that feel a bit of guilt that it took until 2009-2012 to support gay rights. And even in Hollywood, which is notoriously progressive / Democrat, you had lines in the 21st century like "paging doctor faggot" (The Hangover) and "you know how I know that you're gay" (40 year old Virgin).

In the early 2010s, "SJWs" start to gain steam using social media as a soap box. Gay jokes disappeared.

Fast forward to today, and transgendered people are lumped in with LGBQ - not because Democrats made it this way, but because of natural social undertones. Ergo, Democrats perceived that anyone sympathetic to gay rights (which, by the way, is ~70% of the population based on polls) is also sympathetic to transgendered rights. Therein lies the critical error - equating a 17 year old 6'0" biological male who wants to play women's soccer with a same-sex couple that wants to get married to get the legal protections afforded to heterosexual couples.

The Democrats also have an issue that their political strategy thinks that every voter bloc will behave like black Americans. Pass a piece of landmark legislation and you get 90%+ of the vote forever. That assumption requires people to ignore a lot of social, cultural, and historical context... but I'd expect nothing less of a party who champions LBJ's legislation despite the fact that he used very racist language to reveal the fact that he had nefarious intentions to increase and consolidate power with it. Didn't quite work out; the Democrats held the Presidency for 4 years between 1969 and 1993... and some of the Republican victories were historic landslides. And I think Obama's fatherly tongue-lashing cost Harris the election... she does, too, since Obama was conspicuously absent from the list of people she thanked for helping her campaign.

Anyway...yes, I agree, this issue affects a very small minority of Americans. But the socio-political undertones explaining why Democrats tilted hard into transgendered rights is much deeper and more complex than that.
This opinion article by Andrew Sullivan really hits its mark. The recent Supreme Court ruling drove home the point. Worth reading the comments section too. Gift article.

In 2024, the Republican Party removed opposition to marriage equality from its platform, and the current Republican Treasury secretary, Scott Bessent, is a married gay man with two children. Gay marriage is backed by around 70 percent of Americans, and discrimination against gay men, lesbians and transgender people is opposed by 80 percent. As civil rights victories go, it doesn’t get more decisive or comprehensive than this.

But a funny thing happened in the wake of these triumphs. Far from celebrating victory, defending the gains, staying vigilant, but winding down as a movement that had achieved its core objectives — including the end of H.I.V. in the United States as an unstoppable plague — gay and lesbian rights groups did the opposite. Swayed by the broader liberal shift to the “social justice” left, they radicalized.



I worked with a surprisingly large number of trans military over the last few years. They were all hard, smart workers.

Saw this article today from an Army officer resigning his commission...also a gift article.

The ban on transgender troops is blatantly discriminatory. It has nothing to do with the policy’s stated justification of military readiness. The Department of Defense, when imposing the ban in February, claimed that the “medical, surgical and mental health constraints” on transgender people “are incompatible with the high mental and physical standards necessary for military service.”

This is untrue, and the department should know it. A study from 2016 conducted by the RAND Corporation for the Department of Defense found that military policies in other countries that permit transgender people to serve openly have “no significant effect on cohesion, operational effectiveness or readiness.” The American Psychological Association noted in 2018 that “substantial psychological research” demonstrates that gender dysphoria does not itself prevent people from working at a high level, “including in military service.” Indeed, since 2016, when the Pentagon announced that transgender Americans could serve openly, transgender troops have been deployed to combat zones, provided vital support to combat operations and filled critical roles in the armed forces.

The executive order barring transgender troops is a legal command that provides cover for bigotry. It delivers hate in the guise of a national security issue, dressed up in medicalized language.


 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
This opinion article by Andrew Sullivan really hits its mark. The recent Supreme Court ruling drove home the point. Worth reading the comments section too. Gift article.

In 2024, the Republican Party removed opposition to marriage equality from its platform, and the current Republican Treasury secretary, Scott Bessent, is a married gay man with two children. Gay marriage is backed by around 70 percent of Americans, and discrimination against gay men, lesbians and transgender people is opposed by 80 percent. As civil rights victories go, it doesn’t get more decisive or comprehensive than this.

But a funny thing happened in the wake of these triumphs. Far from celebrating victory, defending the gains, staying vigilant, but winding down as a movement that had achieved its core objectives — including the end of H.I.V. in the United States as an unstoppable plague — gay and lesbian rights groups did the opposite. Swayed by the broader liberal shift to the “social justice” left, they radicalized.
I think that his analysis is spot on, particularly the segment about involving children. That's what makes moderates flip from 'whatever you want to do as an adult is none of my business' to 'what the hell are you teaching my children?'
 
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