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[Deleted member 24525]

Glory days are buying a ticket and expecting the airlines to uphold their end of the sale?

So again, as has been explained as nauseum...the airlines do have the right to bump you. I'd almost guaranty that hasn't changed since the 60s...you very well know I was referring to service and amenities.
When EVERY airline guy here is telling you how it works, that is probably how it works.
Opinions of how it SHOULD be are irrelevant.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Regarding the "gambling" comments: I got curious and looked up some DOT stats. What I've read indicates that people are involuntarily bumped from a flight at a rate of less than 1 in 10,000. Seems like pretty good "odds" to me...

 

[Randy Daytona]

So again, as has been explained as nauseum...the airlines do have the right to bump you. I'd almost guaranty that hasn't changed since the 60s...you very well know I was referring to service and amenities.
When EVERY airline guy here is telling you how it works, that is probably how it works.
Opinions of how it SHOULD be are irrelevant.

The debate is over what to do when overbooking leads into the airline's problem of not enough seats for the passengers ticketed. Somebody has to stay behind. The airline pilots here seem to think no changes are needed to the system, too bad you were in steerage. Meanwhile the public wonders why the airline did not spend a few hundred dollars extra to turn that involuntary denied passenger into a volunteer and avoid an international public relations fiasco? Instead of thinking of seasoned pilots or sexy stewardesses or a majestic 747, the first thing that people will think of is a bloodied and bruised senior citizen being drug down the aisle - and by the way, he was already boarded as a paying passenger. How much in settlements, legal fees, reduced fares and advertising will it cost? And in case you are thinking this is a vendetta against United, no, due to where I have lived I have seldom flown them.

Judging by new airlines' policy concerning these items, opinions have been changed.

Regarding the "gambling" comments: I got curious and looked up some DOT stats. What I've read indicates that people are involuntarily bumped from a flight at a rate of less than 1 in 10,000. Seems like pretty good "odds" to me...

Exactly. A very low probability of occurrence but having the possibility of catastrophic consequences. Seems like you would want to prevent that.

 

[jmcquate]

Airports have become one giant rule after the TSA retards took over. Once you get through security, your rights are gone. This pussy was writing prescriptions for blowjobs, and was trolling for a lawsuit............fuck him. We all know the written and un-written rules of getting to Pittsburgh for a $150.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Exactly. A very low probability of occurrence but having the possibility of catastrophic consequences. Seems like you would want to prevent that.

Depends on how you define catastrophic. I'd be willing to bet there is almost always someone on the plane who can accept a delay without "catastrophic" consequences. In fact, I'd venture to say the majority of travelers don't suffer permanent consequences (e.g. significant loss of income, injury, or death) when their travel is delayed. It's just a damned inconvenience. So you're talking about a corner case within a corner case. Which brings me back to wondering why nobody else on that airplane volunteered when things started going south with Dr. Bad-Attitude. Like I said, the airline could have behaved better. But really? Nobody wanted to help out??

Airports have become one giant rule after the TSA retards took over. Once you get through security, your rights are gone. This pussy was righting prescriptions for blowjobs, and was trolling for a lawsuit............fuck him. We all know the written and un-written rules of getting to Pittsburgh for a $150.

I'm inclined to agree... but time will tell. There is always more to the story.

 

[jmcquate]

I'm inclined to agree... but time will tell. There is always more to the story.

There always is. I'm an old guy. I don't fuck with the folks who have authority at the time of the incident. I fuck with them afterwards when I power. Reasoning or arguing with some guy making minimum wage with a uniform and a badge will never turn out well.

 

[mad dog]

...Reasoning or arguing with some guy making minimum wage with a uniform and a badge will never turn out well.

Damn straight!

 

[Randy Daytona]

Depends on how you define catastrophic. I'd be willing to bet there is almost always someone on the plane who can accept a delay without "catastrophic" consequences. In fact, I'd venture to say the majority of travelers don't suffer permanent consequences (e.g. significant loss of income, injury, or death) when their travel is delayed. It's just a damned inconvenience. So you're talking about a corner case within a corner case. Which brings me back to wondering why nobody else on that airplane volunteered when things started going south with Dr. Bad-Attitude. Like I said, the airline could have behaved better. But really? Nobody wanted to help out??

My bad. I meant in this world of social media, how a disgruntled passenger can have a disparate impact on an airline, in this case what happened to United. Not their airplane (it was Republic's), not their cops, but in the perception of the public, United is to blame. Now they will pay hundreds of thousands (if not millions) to the doctor and their image has been stained - its going to take some good PR to get it back.

As for the passengers, as you and Villanelle mentioned, somebody on that plane is willing to take an appropriate amount of cash which allows the person who has to make their destination satisfied as well.

 

[armada1651]

Exactly. A very low probability of occurrence but having the possibility of catastrophic consequences. Seems like you would want to prevent that.

Paying a significant amount of money to avoid a 1 in 10000-20000 chance of an inconvenience for which you'll be well compensated is idiotic. If you want to avoid these "catastrophic" consequences - which, in the vast majority of cases is absurd hyperbole - you already pretty much can. Buy a full fare ticket, or better yet, a business or first class ticket and you're even less likely to experience said catastrophe. And schedule your trip smartly - if arriving 12 hours later than planned is going to ruin the rest of your life, you should probably book an earlier flight.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Damn straight!

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always liked the vector light bars

 

[mad dog]

...always liked the vector light bars

Damn straight!

I liked them as well *EXCEPT FOR* the fact that if you left them running with the vehicle engine off, you'd kill the battery in a matter of a few minutes...which never happened to me.

The 7 pod motors and 14 incandescent bulbs were a huge draw (gee, imagine that)...not to mention loud as shit in the cabin. We switched to the Whelen Edge LED (first thumbnail below) around 2005.

Another Vector shot (second thumbnail below)...

 

[Jim123]

@mad dog and his car, interacting with the citizenry.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Damn straight!

I liked them as well *EXCEPT FOR* the fact that if you left them running with the vehicle engine off, you'd kill the battery in a matter of a few minutes...which never happened to me.

The 7 pod motors and 14 incandescent bulbs were a huge draw (gee, imagine that)...not to mention loud as shit in the cabin. We switched to the Whelen Edge LED (first thumbnail below) around 2005.

Another Vector shot (second thumbnail below)...

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I was looking at my friends patrol car and he said those LED bars are a maintenance nightmare if anything needs to be fixed.

 

[RadicalDude]

Aren't you the pompous asshole.

You're an airline pilot so I already know you do the absolute minimum in the academic department but you could still read a fucking book from time to time to maintain the semblance of knowledge.

 

[RadicalDude]

You make it sound like it's your Constitutional right to fly on an airline.

They are offering a service. If you don't like their service then go somewhere else. I'm sure you can take a train next time you want to travel.

Except they have a government sponsored monopoly so I can't take my money to a reasonable alternative business. Economics 101 bro.