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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??

zippy said:
Sorry that’s happened but condescending posts about 121 pilots aren’t going to make more of them to want to help you join their ranks.

My advice, apply to 2-4 more regionals, take the job offer with the easiest commute then lateral over to PSA after you complete training and some line flying if that’s where you really want to go.

I don’t specifically recall your flight hours but I seem to remember from your other posts that you applied after their big pay raise meant to attract more/better applicants, and that posters who work for PSA responded to you to tell you that you applied incorrectly to their RTP program and that you needed to apply through their application process for pilots who have already reached ATP minimums. Have you done that?
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I've got 3900 hours, 500 airplane PIC, 90 Airplane Multi Engine PIC, clean and perfect First Class Med. Even spending $4k out of pocket adding MEI this weekend and next week using time off from work. Perfect DD214 honorable discharge. Great health. Perfect driving record.

Trying to figure out what's missing in my background.
 
ChuckMK23 said:
I've got 3900 hours, 500 airplane PIC, 90 Airplane Multi Engine PIC, clean and perfect First Class Med. Even spending $4k out of pocket adding MEI this weekend and next week using time off from work. Perfect DD214 honorable discharge. Great health. Perfect driving record.

Trying to figure out what's missing in my background.
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You never answered the question about whether or not you went back and reapplied correctly as a non RTP applicant to PSA. If you have and haven’t heard anything then keep waiting, lots of folks apply after pay raises. If you got a TBNT what you’re missing is experience (turbine, jet, 121 etc). Go to another regional, successfully complete training and get a little line flying under your belt and re-apply in 6-12 months.
 
zippy said:
You never answered the question about whether or not you went back and reapplied correctly as a non RTP applicant to PSA. If you have and haven’t heard anything then keep waiting, lots of folks apply after pay raises. If you got a TBNT what you’re missing is experience (turbine, jet, 121 etc). Go to another regional, successfully complete training and get a little line flying under your belt and re-apply in 6-12 months.
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Fair point - fully reapplied through Airline Apps dot com after the feedback on RTP.

Thank you.
 
ChuckMK23 said:
Fair point - fully reapplied through Airline Apps dot com after the feedback on RTP.

Thank you.
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So since you’ve applied correctly, PSA has had all of 5-7 business days to review your application, while during this time most if not all of pilot recruitment team has been at Oshkosh, and you’ve gone off the deep end taking shots at 121 guys and their unions in angry melodramatic internet posts about how life is unfair for you because PSA hasn’t responded yet?

You are being absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Please go have some drinks or take a Valium or something and relax.
 
Chuck you’re coming across as asshole. Especially for someone who wants the job.

Yes the union will try and protect him. That is their job and if they don’t, their liable for “failure to represent” and a big court ordered cash payout when they get sued.

If the medical test show he was above the legal limits, the union will probably fail in trying to protect his job. But they will try.

If he was above the legal limit, the FAA will yank his medical and he’ll have a struggle to get it back and it will probably take at least a couple of years. So even if the union somehow convinced the company (or arbitrator in the grievance/appeal) to let him keep his job, he’s going to be on a long unpaid leave of absence.

HIMS programs only provide protection if the pilot turns himself in before getting caught. Even under HIMS, it going to be a struggle to keep/get their medical back.
 
HAL Pilot said:
Chuck you’re coming across as asshole. Especially for someone who wants the job.

Yes the union will try and protect him. That is their job and if they don’t, their liable for “failure to represent” and a big court ordered cash payout when they get sued.

If the medical test show he was above the legal limits, the union will probably fail in trying to protect his job. But they will try.

If he was above the legal limit, the FAA will yank his medical and he’ll have a struggle to get it back and it will probably take at least a couple of years. So even if the union somehow convinced the company (or arbitrator in the grievance/appeal) to let him keep his job, he’s going to be on a long unpaid leave of absence.

HIMS programs only provide protection if the pilot turns himself in before getting caught. Even under HIMS, it going to be a struggle to keep/get their medical back.
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I'm sorry - it wasn't my intention at all to come across that way.
 
ChuckMK23 said:
I'm sorry - it wasn't my intention at all to come across that way.
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@ChuckMK23 you will get hired somewhere. Maybe PSA, maybe not. Look at some other places that offer decent pay and QOL for the regionals like Skywest and Republic as well. As a non-RTP candidate you’re going to be in the applicant pool with folks who already have jet and airline experience. Lateral moves amongst regionals is pretty common now that the flood gates are open on hiring. As long as you complete training successfully at another regional and are flight current you’ll be more desirable as a candidate if you need to go that route.

Hopefully you won’t and @HokiePilot and take a few moments out of whatever sweet vacation he’s on and can call PSA pilot recruitment or stop in in person in a week or two and check on the status of your application. After the 3 week point I recommend you start contacting PSA also to confirm that they’ve received your application. 2-3 weeks should give them enough time to clear the backlog of applicants that has pooled up while they were focusing on Oshkosh.

Big thing- have some patience and be humble when you follow up with PSA yourself and please don’t post anything negative about them, airline pilots in general etc on that other website. It won’t be hard to figure out which applicant you are and the company has folks monitor it fairly regularly and if they think you’ve got a shit attitude, and they decide they’re not hurting that bad for applicants you’ll get a TBNT. They’re not going to realize posts where you come off as an asshole are out of character as we do here.

Goodluck on the quest.
 
Brett327 said:
I'm not here to mince words. Chuck, the idea that you could be flying passengers around is absolutely terrifying to me.
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Well thankfully, the United States Navy and the Federal Aviation Administration disagree - as documented in my numerous distinguished achievements in airmanship!

And you are welcome in my aircraft anytime - who knows, we might become fast friends in the end.
 
Chuck,
I had a FO accused of having alcohol on her breath by a screener back before the TSA days. The first thing I did was call ALPA. Our union reps took the ball from there. The flight was canceled and the accusation was proven to be false. Seems the screener didn’t think a woman should be flying an airplane.

The point being the job of the union is to defend and protect pilots to the best they can...it is the reason we pay dues. You seem to assume the pilot in this case is guilty even though he has yet to actually be charged of anything.
 
Fallonflyr said:
Chuck,
I had a FO accused of having alcohol on her breath by a screener back before the TSA days. The first thing I did was call ALPA. Our union reps took the ball from there. The flight was canceled and the accusation was proven to be false. Seems the screener didn’t think a woman should be flying an airplane.

The point being the job of the union is to defend and protect pilots to the best they can...it is the reason we pay dues. You seem to assume the pilot in this case is guilty even though he has yet to actually be charged of anything.
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When I first upgraded to 767 Captain 7 years ago, there was a similar pilot booze incident in the news. I was in PHX and just walking to the cockpit when a pax in first class asked me "Are you drunk too?" I immediately told him "No, but you just cancelled the flight". I then went to the PA and said "Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Captain. Unfortunately one of you fellow passengers just asked me if I was drunk. While I am not drunk and have not had any alcohol for over a week, to protect my pilot's license, my FAA medical, my livelihood, my family welfare and my company I must now get alcohol tested by a medical facility before I can fly the plane. Since this is not a Hawaiian pilot base there are no reserve pilots in Phoenix to take my place as your Captain and fly the plane. Therefore I regret to tell you this flight is cancelled. If you remain in your seats for a few minutes, I'll get the station manager so she can explain to you what is going to happen next. Thank you and I deeply regret the inconvenience."

I then called first my union rep and then the CP to tell them what happened. The CP had me go to the drug/alcohol testing center the station personnel used and get both a breath and urine test. I offered to do blood too but he said that wasn't necessary. I deadheaded home the next day when I replacement Captain came to PHX. I had about 5 days off with pay protection for missed flights while I waited for my 0% alcohol test to come back. Was this all necessary? I knew I was 0% alcohol but if I didn't get tested and flew, I could never 100% protect myself.

When the pax were in the gate area fuming about not getting to Honolulu when they were supposed too, I thought they were going to kill the pax who asked me if I was drunk. He started yelling at me across the lobby saying he was kidding and calling me all sorts of bad things. The station manager had him escorted off by police and banned him from ever flying on Hawaiian again. Since he was a Hawaii local, this hurts as there aren't a lot of interisland options when he's home and wants to go to another island. Fuck him. He's luck Hawaiian didn't sue him for the cost of the cancelled flight / rebooking all the pax.
 
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