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Trouble in Paradise......

Cate

Pretty much invincible
No, Gorbachev wanted to reform the Soviet Union. Not disintegrate it. And he places plenty of blame on the systemic problems in the USSR. He is totally upfront with his failures, and the failures of the planned economy.
Again, Gorbachev is equally adamant that Reagans relentless commitment to his convictions (despite vociferous resistance at home to projects like SDI) were the subjects of great concern in the Politburo.
So what you're saying, then, is that Gorbachev wanted a reformed, not dissolved, Soviet Union, and that he assigns Reagan responsiblity for the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which we've just established was not what Gorbachev was looking for.

That's not giving credit; it's called "blaming."

And don't make the mistake of thinking that Iran is an impovershed nation that can't afford to feed its people. Economic difficulties (and boy howdy, have they got some) aside, the current fuel rationing isn't from a lack of funds; it's from a lack of crude oil processing facilities. Iran is still a significant producer of oil, which it gladly sells to countries that do have refining capabilities, and is sitting on massive oil reserves. They're rationing to try and cut down on a budget deficit that's a result of fuel subsidies that are a result of a lack of refineries. You can try all of the Tom-Clancy-esque ninja-super-spy stuff you want, but if you really want to topple Iran's economy, try imposing sanctions on fuel exports to Iran.

Of course, then the question becomes whether or not you actually want to try to topple Iran's economy. The Cold War ended the way it did largely because, as has been mentioned before, the USSR was already in dire economical straits long before Reagan started exacting his influence, and because of the governmental structure at the time, and because, as mentioned, Gorbachev had some interest in reforming, whether or not he knew exactly what he wanted to reform or how to do it.

In Iran, you've got a near-totalitarian leader (and do note the differences between totalitarianism and communism, whether or not the outcomes are the same) with tight ties to a radical fundamentalist cleric and no desire to make the citizens anything but more beholden to their government. If you want to go in there and destabilize the hell out of that, go ahead, but the result is more likely to resemble Iraq than it is to resemble Russia. The current fuel riots are a mere THX preview to what we'd see with complete economic collapse.

There's always, of course, the option of influencing the 80 percent of Iranians who voted against Ahmadinejad in the first round of the 2005 election, many of whom still have their Levi's from back before western goods were banned; and trying to neutralize Khomenei's influence, which was largely responsible for his 70 percent victory in the runoff and which keeps Iranian politics on the straight-and-burqa today. But that option probably doesn't involve night-vision goggles and would be a better John Grisham than Tom Clancy novel.
 

Flash

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No, Gorbachev wanted to reform the Soviet Union. Not disintegrate it. And he places plenty of blame on the systemic problems in the USSR. He is totally upfront with his failures, and the failures of the planned economy.

Again, Gorbachev is equally adamant that Reagans relentless commitment to his convictions (despite vociferous resistance at home to projects like SDI) were the subjects of great concern in the Politburo.

You didn't get my point, did you? Of course Gorbachev did not want to dismantle the USSR but his party, his fellow leaders and Gorbachev himself were much more responsible for his country's collapse than Reagan, he just doesn't want to take the blame as much as he should.

When exactly was the last time concern collapsed a country?

Carter? Any serious student would also cite the Iranian Hostage Crisis as the most embarrasing foreign-policy debacle of the era. Coupled with the double-digit inflation (the highest since '47), interest, and unemployment rates provided a showcase for anti-capitalists.

Reading comprehension, I said he sucked........but that his focus on human rights de-legitimized the USSR and its ideology in the eyes of many around the world.
 

Flash

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Economic growth in Iran will slow but remain firm over the forecast period, as faltering oil revenue forces the government to rein-in its expansionary fiscal policy. As a result, we expect real GDP growth to ease from 4.6% in fiscal year 2007/08 (March 21st-March 20th) to an average of 3.5% in the final three fiscal years of the forecast period. Falling oil prices and stagnant production growth is expected to push the current account into deficitfrom 2009/10.

http://www.economist.com/countries/Iran/profile.cfm?folder=Profile-Economic Data

40% population below poverty line. 13.8% inflation rate (217th in the world), 15% unemployment (self-reported, 148th)...CIA Factbook

And your point is........? We run a defecit every year, and our economy is not going down the tubes yet..........


commitment of 2000-2500? you made my point. I don't question the skill or dedication of the individual, but the political will...

Seriously, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Canada has just over 1/10th the population of the US and just 63,000 in their armed forces. Their commitment is roughly equivalent of about 20,000 US troops (ironically, about how many US troops are in Afghanistan right now) and is about 4% of their total force (Navy and Air Force included). The same goes for Denmark, which has about 900 troops deployed or about 6% of their Army. These are very significant contributions from small militaries that are willing to fight alongside the US.

Start belittling our allies contributions and they might not contribute anymore, and that would hurt us a lot more than you realize.
 

Hozer

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Reading comprehension, I said he sucked........but that his focus on human rights de-legitimized the USSR and its ideology in the eyes of many around the world.

The attention called to the USSR's record on human rights was, imo, largely overwhelmed by the perception of Western weakness and a incoherent foreign policy that lacked backbone, particularly in the late 70's.

And your point is........? We run a defecit every year, and our economy is not going down the tubes yet..........
The US doesn't have 40% of the population already below the poverty line and much more dependent on gov't subsidies.

If Iran manages a deficit in order to make
citizens anything but more beholden to their government
, it cannot afford to provide the subsidies to their citizens. Also, inflation (13.8%) and/or currency devaluation could easily become unmanageable. All this from a country that possesses vast reserves with an economy largely dependent on a single commodity, not diversified (like the U.S.).

Start belittling our allies contributions and they might not contribute anymore, and that would hurt us a lot more than you realize

I'm not belittling our allies. I respect them, but there is a vast disparity in the military impact and political impact of the contribution of 2500 troops in GWOT. Politically, it has value. Militarily, it is a negligible force.

roughly equivalent of about 20,000
Using proportions like that is a straw man. Ex: I've flapped on ASW events with 100 percent of the Norwegian and Dutch MPA assets. That amounted to 8 aircraft.
Ask a CWC if they care about "4 percent" of a force or "20,000 troops".
 
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