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USMC adopts M4 for Officers, SSgts and above!

PropStop

Kool-Aid free since 2001.
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If you think that's cool, check out what the Navy recently issued me!

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note: I'm not the guy on the right...
 

usmarinemike

Solidly part of the 42%.
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I can only see the pain when all these officers and SNCOs need to get quotas on the rifle range, especially if it's the new 3 week qualification program. Think a LtCol squadron CO is going to take a week of his time snapping in?

I was going to comment on how much of a pain in the ass that would be for training to schedule many more people for the range, and that was before I even knew the range was 3 friggin weeks...man I've been gone a long time.

I can see another MARADMIN coming down saying that E-6/O-4 and above only having to do a one week range. Sorry, O-1 to O-3...You have to come back to the squadron and stay until 2030 to keep up and not have your nuts slammed in the door.
 

gaijin6423

Ask me about ninjas!
The range can all be done in probably 5-6 days. The rifle range is closed at the Point during the week, thanks to some construction, so everyone has to shoot on the weekends, with classes going on Fridays. Is it painfull? Yeah. Would it still be painfull even if it was during the week? Oh, yeah. There's no real need to draw the process out that long, unless you're just a retarded shooter. Then you might need some more training.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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Interesting article on Defense News dot com...
  • Staff Sergeants and up....
  • Colonels continue to be issued ....
  • Privates through Sergeant will still be issued ....
  • Sailors E-5 and below who are with Marine units will be issued .....
  • The remaining pay grades will still carry the pistol....

WOW!! Carbines & pistols for the higher-up's and those who have their "hands full" ... rifles for the rest: the grunts/doggies/gyrenes/Marines/troopers ... whatever you like to call the infantry-style trigger-pullers of today.


What WILL the "TO&E thinkers" conjure up next !!??!! Tommy guns ???? :eek:

I wonder if they've ever heard of these thingy's???:

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ArkhamAsylum

500+ Posts
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I might be retarded, but does that mean that the SNCO's/junior O's are carrying M4's instead of M9's, or in addition to?
 

propwash

seems most jet avatars aren't even pilots yet
pilot
Regarding the “bringing your own gat to the fight” notion… I know for a fact many an aircrew who felt it prudent to stash a favorite large caliber pistol in his gear on short Dets, though prohibited for a myriad of reasons. Primarily that most Unit or Squadron / MAG / WING / MEF… whoever’s policies forbid personal weapons, since we all have our t/o pistols and rifles issued. In Iraq it is absolutely impractical and also against the regs to bring your own stuff. How am I going to hide my HK USP for six months, while openly carrying my M9…? What’s the point? And then, while in my world we fly ourselves back home in our aircraft, and the customs guys might search one out of 30 sea bags as a random measure when we get back to the USA, but if you are “that guy” whose .357 falls out… oopsie. But come or go via CAM flight, and they go through all your crap usually. Hide it in gear being loaded; you are taking your fate in your own hands…

So it really isn’t a BATF issue but more a culmination of various DoD/service regs.

Regarding bringing stuff back, that is a combo of BATF and DoD policies, though most likely not intentionally. There are very specific guidelines regarding what you can bring home “legally”. Under than falls the prohibition on arms (that are functional). If you pull off an AK barrel to bring home, I doubt anyone will note the current barrel importation ban, but who knows. You could find a nice AK stock to add to your collection… maybe a bayonet, dust cover, whatever. The odd one'sies and two'sies. But too much of that sort of thing attracts attention. And there are concrete theater rules from the JAG on what you can legally bring home and can’t. I keep trying to sneak all the parts to a nice Chinese F7 (MIG 21 copy) into the back of my Herc. There are so many of them in almost not totally shot up condition that I could frankenstein one into a totally functional aircraft, and other semi-complete former Iraqi aircraft lying all over the place here. But it is getting conspicuous having that jet’s fuselage and wings under my mattress…

That article amuses me though. I am yet to see 50 round MP5 mags. Maybe they exist. I am no expert by far on the matter but own a bunch of 30 round mags, and maybe there are some odd contract 40 round MP5 mags.
 
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