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USNTPS (Test Pilot School)

Flash

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Isn't there also a third option for TPS w/ the Frenchies? A NA/Test Pilot came to my school once to talk about some development stuff he did in the Pentagon. He went to TPS in France after 6mo at DLI.

I believe there is sometimes exchange spots for USN and USMC types to go to Empire Test Pilots School (ETPS) in the UK and to the Ecole du Personnel Navigant d'Essais et de Réception (EPNER) in France. I would imagine those are pretty rare though, with the Navy sending some real superstars to represent us well.

ETPS: http://www.qinetiq.com/ix_etps.html

EPNER: http://epner.free.fr/Histoire.html

http://flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRHeft07/FRH0703/FR0703e.htm

BUPERS Inst: http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/upd_CD/BUPERS/Instructions/150062.PDF

US Navy site: http://www.usntps.navy.mil/people.htm
 

goldielocks

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To echo what swanee said, having worked at NASA in the ISS program previously...having several friends who are/were astronauts...there are rock stars that make it onto multiple missions. Those who go up one time and one time only do so because they aren't 'team players', difficult to work with... or got caught screwing around with one of the crew secretaries ect.

I know mission specialist candidates who have been waiting for a flight assignment for 10+ years...and some that gave up and moved on. Selection is highly political and you can't put a whole crew of newbies together for a flight...you've got to have some rock stars. And with just a few flights a year these days its even harder to get assigned to a flight.

Bottom line...if you want a snowballs chance in hell of even being considered....keep your nose/jacket/reputation squeaky clean...if you have any prior police or military hiccups on your record you don't have a chance. If your bad reputation proceeds you at every command....you don't have a chance. They are looking for that boy scout w/ an edge.

If your military then you HAVE to have a BS and MS in engineering/math/physics ect or be a medical doctor....and 99% of those people have been to TPS. Civillian mission specialists usually have a Phd or better. The majority of the military pilots are Navy and AF...they take your occassional NFO or WSO but very, very few...and they just lost one NFO with that whole diaper fiasco.

Once you get there...the best way to get on a flight is for your NASA ground job to correlate with a future mission's objectives. Ex. Ground job consists of studying protein crystal growth and curing cancer....future mission to ISS will initiate experiment of PCG in space. That is hard to predict but...it's a start for those aspiring. I have not seen anyone accepted to the program with a ranking lower than O-5...and DON'T expect to get promoted while your there...you will be a terminal O-5, O-6 ect. I'm sure the ride in space will be some small consolation...but most people retire at 20+ years and enjoy the increase in pay+military retirement as a GS astronaut.
 

HeyJoe

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DON'T expect to get promoted while your there...you will be a terminal O-5, O-6 ect. I'm sure the ride in space will be some small consolation...but most people retire at 20+ years and enjoy the increase in pay+military retirement as a GS astronaut.

While it's not likely if not impossible to make admiral/general in the Astronaut Corps, I can attest that many of my friends and acquaintances did get promoted while there so I don't think you can say NASA is a career ender for everyone who gets selected like this fine gent in particular:

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Major General
Charles F. Bolden Jr.

Major General Charles F. Bolden, Jrs'., last billet before retirement was as the Commanding General, 3d Marine Aircraft Wing. He assumed this assignment on August 9, 2000.

Born in Columbia, S.C., Major General Bolden received a Bachelor of Science degree from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1968 and later earned a Master of Science degree in systems management from the University of Southern California in 1977.

Accepting a commission as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps following graduation from the Naval Academy, he underwent flight training at Pensacola, Fla., Meridian, Miss., and Kingsville, Texas, before being designated a naval aviator in May 1970. Between June 1972 and June 1973 he flew more than 100 combat missions into North and South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the A-6A Intruder while assigned to VMA (AW)-533 at Nam Phong, Thailand.

Upon returning to the United States, Major General Bolden began a two-year tour as a Marine Corps Officer Selection and Recruiting Officer in Los Angeles, Calif., followed by three years in various assignments at the Marine Corps Air Station, El Toro, Calif. In June 1979, he graduated from the U.S. Naval Test Pilot School at Patuxent River, Md., and was assigned to the Naval Air Test Center's Systems Engineering and Strike Aircraft Test Directorates. While there, he served as an ordnance test pilot and flew numerous test projects in the A-6E, EA-6B and A-7C/E aircraft. Throughout his career Major General Bolden has logged more than 6,000 hours of flying time in more than thirty models of fixed and rotary wing aircraft.

Selected as an astronaut candidate by NASA in 1980, Major General Bolden qualified as a space shuttle pilot astronaut in 1981 and subsequently flew four missions in space. During his first mission on board the Space Shuttle Columbia in 1986, he participated in the successful deployment of the SATCOM KU satellite and conducted experiments in astrophysics and materials processing.

As pilot of the Space Shuttle Discovery in 1990, Major General Bolden and crew successfully deployed the Hubble Space Telescope while orbiting the earth from a record setting altitude of 400 miles. Additionally, they also conducted extensive scientific experimentation and employed a variety of cameras, including both the IMAX in-cabin and cargo bay cameras for Earth observations.

On his third mission in 1992, he commanded the Space Shuttle Atlantis on the first Space Laboratory (SPACELAB) mission dedicated to NASA's "Mission to Planet Earth." During this nine-day mission, the crew operated the ATLAS-1 (Atmospheric Laboratory for Applications and Science), a system composed of twelve experiments which succeeded in making a vast amount of detailed measurements of the Earth's atmospheric chemical and physical properties. Immediately following this mission, Major General Bolden was appointed Assistant Deputy Administrator for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

He held this Washington, D.C. post until assigned as commander of STS-60, the 1994 flight of a six member crew on the Space Shuttle Discovery. This landmark eight day mission was the first joint U.S./Russian Space Shuttle mission, involving the participation of a Russian Cosmonaut as a mission specialist. The crew conducted a series of joint U.S./Russian science activities and carried the Space Habitation Module-2 and the Wake Shield Facility-01 into space. Upon completion of this fourth mission, Major General Bolden left the space program having logged more than 680 hours in space.

In 1995, after successfully completing a one year tour as the Deputy Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., Major General Bolden served as the Assistant Wing Commander, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing in Miramar, Calif. In July of 1997, he was assigned as the Deputy Commanding General, I MEF, Marine Forces, Pacific. From February to June 1998, he served as Commanding General, I MEF (FWD) in support of Operation Desert Thunder in Kuwait. In July 1998 he was promoted to his current rank and assumed his previous duties as the Deputy Commander, U.S. Forces, Japan.

Major General Bolden has been awarded a number of military and NASA decorations and has received Honorary Doctorates from several distinguished universities.
 

HeyJoe

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Flash

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Concur on all counts...saw him at MCAA events in DC and he's sharp as a tack. No wonder USMC brought him back and made good use of him.

That was a political decision on Rumsfeld's part, not the Marines.
 
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