Fair enough…but to the individuals in that OIF convoy the stakes were equal to those of the Venezuela op.
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- Thread starter Griz882
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Kind of like the ENTIRE history of military operations dating back to, oh, I don't know, 1776 ???
Sure, but we're not making policy based on individual stakes. If we did that, no country would ever go to war. Individual stakes only carry real significance if they are directly tied to national level outcomes.
Absolutely.
We flew with impunity over Mogadishu until a magic bullet brought down a helicopter and turned what had been become regular ops into a shit show that change the course of our interaction in Somalia. This could’ve been more like that I think.
So events not unique to the Venezuela operation, right?
Probably with a little less bodies being dragged through the streets and a little more Hanoi Hilton televised interviews. Plus a diplomatic shitshow that would’ve ensued. Not sure POTUS or his advisors would’ve kept the fingers off the trigger with an embarrassment of that nature and subsequently doubled down.
True enough- it’s a risk inherent in all non-permissive environments. One would presume those contingencies were part of the typical planning flail.
Despite a few helicopters getting roughed up, the raid displays some excellent planning. Military experts are stunned at how easily the CHICAP supplied air defense system was carved up to a point that even Taiwanese commentators are piling on. There was nothing easy about this operation, but it is a wonderful example of exceptional staff work and operational execution.
www.eurasiantimes.com
China’s Anti-Stealth JY-27 Radar Flops In Venezuela? Did F-22, F-35 "Hunter" Got Hunted By USAF, Experts Decode
The unprecedented capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by the US military has stirred several conversations among military strategists, observers, and defense enthusiasts. Interestingly, this includes the “ineffectiveness” of the radars that Caracas acquired from China. On January 3...
www.eurasiantimes.com
I’m celebrating the execution, but I’d say it was a cross between the worst of Bin Laden and Mogadishu risk-wise. Flying into a sovereign country that was kind of expecting it, and primed to shoot you down.
And the payoff, arresting a country’s leader for drug charges when you just pardoned another country’s former leader of drug charges.
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Both Gothic Serpent, and Neptune Spear occurred during era’s of mission planning concepts of understanding that directly contributed to the failures that occurred in those missions. Tactics and procedures evolve… especially in that community.
And for a mission set where the point is to take the targets out alive, whether hostage rescue or capture, it’s an understood you are putting the crews and the assault force at its greatest risk within the terminal area. You can’t sanitize the LZ of all those variable threats they don’t show up in the big collection plan, and you can’t just suppress everything from RP inbound because the point is discriminate targeting an 134 or 240 just doesn’t do.
Those crews knew exactly what was being asked, and if it had in fact been critical damage or injury preventing the aircraft from coming off target it wouldn’t be the first time in recent memory that contingency has had to be executed on what is an otherwise successful raid.
The stories coming about the use of a "Sonic Weapon" are certainly interesting . . . .
