Unless you're trying to earn a living w/ your aircraft, no?
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- Thread starter statesman
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Unless you're trying to earn a living w/ your aircraft, no?
Yep...no commercial flying with an Experimental. Can't even do Angel Flights or the equivalent. There may be some exceptions (the one I know of is for potential customers paying to take a demo ride, but almost always the cost of the flight goes towards the kit) but none that I know of.
That's a really good question. At the FBO I fly charter at we used to do photo rides in one of the Cessna 172's. The Milwaukee FSDO said we'd have to maintain them and put them on part 135 opspecs if we wanted to continue to do them. So we stopped because it was legally considered charter by the FAA. I have also read that the FAA was cracking down on VIP rides for air show sponsors if the performer accepted any payment for the rides. I can't say that I've seen that cause any reduction in VIP rides I've flown at, though. If it's called flight instruction that's one way to work around it, but you'd have to have a CFI certificate to make that work.
ryan1234
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I think that not all Mustangs are in the experimental exhibition category... some are limited - and in some rare cases, those made by Cavalier (conversion) had a Standard airworthiness certificate.
@yak52driver - I heard recently there was a new special LOA from the FAA for part 91 operators doing sight-seeing / photographing? I don't see what the FAA's problem is if the flight's destination is the same as the departute..
@Huggy - None that I know of... but it looks like it has serious potential, hopefully it doesn't go the way of Thielert.
ryan1234
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I think you can get an LOA from the FAA for that on an operation case basis.
When I first got my Yak I considered giving instruction in it and talked to the MKE FSDO, they said I didn't need anything from them to give dual in it, the fact the it is Experimantal Exhibition was not a factor. Not sure if that's the case for every experimental, but that was my experience.
Clux4
Banned
As I understand it, you can give instructions in experimental but you can't get paid for instruction except the cost of gas and maintenance. At least this is what a guy flying Pietenpol told me when I asked him about getting a tail wheel endorsement.
The ride should be free...
... after they purchase an $850 T-shirt.
Sounds like the easy answer. "I paid $850 dollars and all I got is this lousy t-shirt..."
That's how I feel about my entire college experience. The $8000/semester free t-shirt experience.
The local FSDO didn't seem to care at all about how I wanted to do it. But my experience has been that a lot depends on which FSDO a person is dealing with. In the end insurance was triple the cost if I wanted to instruct with my plane, so I bagged it.
This isn't categorically true, some Angel Flight chapters do allow experimental. The ones that do though do require the plane to be IFR capable and operator to be duly qualified. Organ & tissue transport missions are also more likely to allow experimentals and the animal charity efforts (Pilots N Paws, etc) allow experimental as well.
This will probably get a little more confusing with the recent ruling that charitable flights can accept compensation for fuel.
Good info. Thanks. Back when I was looking into it in the PNW, the AF chapter up there wouldn't allow it.