NCR Parade Rumint

[hlg6016]

You mean instead of what...whitewashing the rocks outside of base HQ?

With the rocks I can just get to work and not deal with rehearsals and inspections for a week ahead of time.

 

[JTS11]

Wasn't he talked out of doing this during his first term? Tanks tearing up DC streets and shit. Instead, he opted for a massive flyover where he talked about the Continental Army seizing the airports.

Can our resident historians on this site do a fact check on this speech above? Cornwallis of Yorktown?

 

[Flash]

With the rocks I can just get to work and not deal with rehearsals and inspections for a week ahead of time.

That's the problem though, it isn't just rehearsals a week ahead of time. A significant number of the forces that participate, and more importantly their equipment if that is included, would have to be transported from bases across the country to the area. Quarters and staging areas would have to be set up and the parade route secured and prepared in advance. All of this happening in a very heavily congested urban area that is not designed for big Bastille Day or May Day style parades.

So, dependent on the type and size, a parade in DC could be a very heavy lift for not only the military but for the local governments as well costing everyone involved a lot of money. That last time we had something like that in DC was the Desert Storm victory celebrations in June '91, and it was a pretty complicated affair even for how 'modest' it was with only 8,000 troops taking part. And as I mentioned before it would be a prime time for protests as well, something that could really foul up even the best laid plans.

 

[Faded Float Coat]

Didn't he already try this toward the end of his first term? I believe it started at the Ellipse and headed toward the Capitol or something...details are fuzzy...

 

[MIDREGS]

Government efficiency amiright

 

[Flash]

Didn't he already try this toward the end of his first term? I believe it stated at the Ellipse and headed toward the Capitol or something...details are fuzzy...

It was proposed but eventually abandoned due to the cost, I think the idea came about after the President attended the Bastille Day parade in Paris in 2017.

 

[Faded Float Coat]

@Flash I'll use a brighter sarcasm font next time....

 

[JTS11]

It was proposed but eventually abandoned due to the cost, I think the idea came about after the President attended the Bastille Day parade in Paris in 2017.

I can't remember @Flash was that prior to him cancelling a visit to a US cemetery bc it was raining? Doesn't matter bc I think Gen Kelly said Trump called them suckers and losers.

 

[Faded Float Coat]

A water parade with DDG-56 leading the way would be impressive.

 

[pilot_man]

Apparently we need to get rid of all things DEI because it is negatively affecting readiness but a giant parade through DC is okay? So dumb

 

[hlg6016]

That's the problem though, it isn't just rehearsals a week ahead of time. A significant number of the forces that participate, and more importantly their equipment if that is included, would have to be transported from bases across the country to the area. Quarters and staging areas would have to be set up and the parade route secured and prepared in advance. All of this happening in a very heavily congested urban area that is not designed for big Bastille Day or May Day style parades.

So, dependent on the type and size, a parade in DC could be a very heavy lift for not only the military but for the local governments as well costing everyone involved a lot of money. That last time we had something like that in DC was the Desert Storm victory celebrations in June '91, and it was a pretty complicated affair even for how 'modest' it was with only 8,000 troops taking part. And as I mentioned before it would be a prime time for protests as well, something that could really foul up even the best laid plans.

Shitshow on a grand scale to feed somebody's ego. No Thanks.

 

[Griz882]

To be fair, I asked an old friend at the NPS National Capitol Region and was told that the parade and route was already permitted by the America 250th group. The parade is intended to celebrate the creation of the U.S. Army (and, yes, Trump shares the same birthday). Before this hit the news the Army already committed to sending a color guard and some troops from each division, the Golden Knights, but no tracked vehicles. Fly overs are also approved but no aircraft types have been designated yet - seeing that this is the Army parade, maybe helicopters? Other usual suspects will probably be the ceremonial units from each service and such.

But seriously, this is nothing new and it isn’t unprecedented.

 

[Flash]

To be fair, I asked an old friend at the NPS National Capitol Region and was told that the parade and route was already permitted by the America 250th group. The parade is intended to celebrate the creation of the U.S. Army (and, yes, Trump shares the same birthday). Before this hit the news the Army already committed to sending a color guard and some troops from each division, the Golden Knights, but no tracked vehicles. Fly overs are also approved but no aircraft types have been designated yet - seeing that this is the Army parade, maybe helicopters? Other usual suspects will probably be the ceremonial units from each service and such.

But seriously, this is nothing new and it isn’t unprecedented.

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Maybe.

While not new or unprecedented we aren't sure what if any changes may be made to the parade that was already planned. If it involves more than what you said, the 'lift' and preparations could be much more complicated and expensive.

BTW, while not unprecedented the only time there has been a full blown military parade in DC since WWII like they do through Red Square or down the Avenue des Champs-Élysées was in '91, when that M1 pictured rolled through DC along with other vehicles.

As for the boat and plane pictured they were specifically to commemorate Presidential service in the military at Inauguration Day Parades, which would not be the case in June.

 

[Griz882]

Maybe.

While not new or unprecedented we aren't sure what if any changes may be made to the parade that was already planned. If it involves more than what you said, the 'lift' and preparations could be much more complicated and expensive.

BTW, while not unprecedented the only time there has been a full blown military parade in DC since WWII like they do through Red Square or down the Avenue des Champs-Élysées was in '91, when that M1 pictured rolled through DC along with other vehicles.

As for the boat and plane pictured they were specifically to commemorate Presidential service in the military at Inauguration Day Parades, which would not be the case in June.

I feel like you are displeased because of Trump. Nowhere, other than social media, is there an existing plan to put tanks on Constitution Avenue (but as you note and we see, it can be done). I gladly accept that some in the Pentagon might be talking up the idea of tanks and such, but right now that isn’t in the plan. If it turns out that they are used, we have proof that the streets of DC won’t be ruined to the tune of millions - so the angst is over…what?

I know exactly what the Avenger and PT-109 were for - the aggrandizement of the incoming POTUS and I have zero problem with that. The message for both was simply a display of strength, both national and personal (the PT-109 replica bore the message, “Seapower is Peace”) I also know that hundreds of military personnel marched in the bicentennial parade (1976) while some eight different U.S. warships diverted at different times to escort the Tall Ships that year (a far more difficult economic time than now)…all for the same reason - strength of nation.

I get it…some people are angry that Trump is POTUS…but does that mean we must end all celebrations of our nation until he is out of office? Was the 250th commission, planned while Obama was POTUS, and executed (and staffed) while Biden was POTUS supposed to cancel all celebrations because Trump won? It’s a parade. People march, bands play, citizens wave flags - nations have done it since the dawn of time. Massed troops have marched in good times and bad and this one is no different.

 

[Flash]

I feel like you are displeased because of Trump. Nowhere, other than social media, is there an existing plan to put tanks on Constitution Avenue (but as you note and we see, it can be done). I gladly accept that some in the Pentagon might be talking up the idea of tanks and such, but right now that isn’t in the plan. If it turns out that they are used, we have proof that the streets of DC won’t be ruined to the tune of millions - so the angst is over…what?

The reason for the speculation associated with this parade is that the President very publicly wanted to do it once before and it was squelched due to internal administration opposition. And unfortunately with many things so far this year all we often have is RUMINT and speculation until something actually happens.

As for 'proof' that DC streets won't be ruined to the tune of millions, like many things...it depends. It depends on a lot of factors and careful planning to ensure that serious damage doesn't occur. As a DC local you should know better than most.

I know exactly what the Avenger and PT-109 were for - the aggrandizement of the incoming POTUS and I have zero problem with that. The message for both was simply a display of strength, both national and personal (the PT-109 replica bore the message, “Seapower is Peace”) I also know that hundreds of military personnel marched in the bicentennial parade (1976) while some eight different U.S. warships diverted at different times to escort the Tall Ships that year (a far more difficult economic time than now)…all for the same reason - strength of nation.

Would it be for the 'strength of the nation' this time, or something more personal?

I get it…some people are angry that Trump is POTUS…but does that mean we must end all celebrations of our nation until he is out of office? Was the 250th commission, planned while Obama was POTUS, and executed (and staffed) while Biden was POTUS supposed to cancel all celebrations because Trump won? It’s a parade. People march, bands play, citizens wave flags - nations have done it since the dawn of time. Massed troops have marched in good times and bad and this one is no different.

Don't reflexively assume that I am reflexively object to something because 'Bad Man BAD'! I have zero issues with the Army having a nice parade for their 250th birthday, buuut....I would object to ostentatious display like the Desert Storm victory parade when there is no real reason for it.