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The SHOW: Airlines still a "good gig"??
- Thread starter A4sForever
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Hey, Griz…guess where I am now [with my official @ChuckMK23 book bag and name tag].
Hint: Not Starbucks.
Are those Wallabees MD ???
You know it, boss!
Also…guess where I am now…should be pretty easy to guess correctly…
Post #2,687 is at Dunkin’…post #2,689 is at Waffle House.
Looks like the Navy isn’t the only place where “flight school is backed up”!
www.king5.com
Dozens of student pilots sue United Airlines and its flight school over fraud allegations
Some students said they left the program when it became clear they would not finish training in time. Others say they were expelled for taking too long.
www.king5.com
A lot of 141 schools seem to have this problem, or worse the students signed on the written all-but-promise of a CFI job and got a giant shrug when they finished training. I know a number of ATP victims who started their training before I joined the Navy... several of them still don't have a flying job of any kind, nevermind airlines or freight.Looks like the Navy isn’t the only place where “flight school is backed up”!
Dozens of student pilots sue United Airlines and its flight school over fraud allegations
Some students said they left the program when it became clear they would not finish training in time. Others say they were expelled for taking too long.
As a Part 61 CFI, I've successfully trained many what I call Part 141 Refugees. Folks who often by no fault of their own could not stay within the narrowly defined training footprint of a 141 school and we're just getting bled dry financially. I got pretty good at picking up the pieces and getting aspiring pilots through private commercial instrument and multi-engine. All these folks are happily flying professionally today.
In my experience, the typical successful part 141 student is living at home in a two-parent household with Mom and Dad paying the bills for everything and the student has little stress or no stress outside of school and training. Genuinely, the first time this young person stops living at home is when they get their first job at a regional.
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I'm finishing up an instrument student right now who falls into that category. He made the smart decision to stop training when it became obvious it was a bleed-ex, and the schedule was going to be whatever was convenient for the school/instructor, not for him. Now I'm helping him finish up instrument training under Part 61, and he's a lot happier.
For-profit Part 141 schools have their drawbacks... know what you're getting into.
The Show is a much better place to be (and I hope all have a seat there or another funded civilian career) than the USNR as of a couple months ago. Don't know how other parts are doing, but TSW funding is eye watering. Keep a lookout at all our bases for our lemonade stands soon. Holy fuck
Last month while I was waiting to do my medical, I was chatting with a CFI/Part 135/Cirrus Training center pilot and he was telling me about their operation. They were about to get their Part 141 cert, but when he said it, he said, "...but we don't want to be known as a 141 school. We're just doing it for the VA and other scholarships." I knew what he meant and it shows how bad a rep the 141 schools have amassed.
He also mentioned they have an Epic and he was really impressed with it. Unfortunately they still don't have it on their 135 certificate to be able to charter it.....after over a year.
He also mentioned they have an Epic and he was really impressed with it. Unfortunately they still don't have it on their 135 certificate to be able to charter it.....after over a year.
In my opinion, schools like ATP have really given Part 141 a bad name. Our employee's flying club where I work has a Part 141 certificate, and we train a lot of employees on a wide variety of timelines, generally determined by the student. We also do Part 61 for select folks on a case-by-case basis, but there is none of the "big promises, delivery... meh" that you get from the "big name" guys that advertise on LinkedIn.