That’s not really the definition of frivolous.
I had an IG filed against me by someone not happy with their fitrep. My thinking on it was it’s your right. That the complaint was looked at by higher authority and denied was good for everybody.
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I had an IG filed against me by someone not happy with their fitrep. My thinking on it was it’s your right. That the complaint was looked at by higher authority and denied was good for everybody.
Sorry, but that’s not how selection boards work.
I think what Spekkio is trying to say is that the case was frivolous because it was determined that there was no wrong-doing.
"Frivolous" is a silly way to discuss the investigatory system, especially if the framing is unsubstantiated = frivolous. It's like the term "government waste" - it's only waste because you don't like the purpose of the spending. It's only "frivolous" because you don't like going through the process.
If you want to create a system where a senior will never have to endure an investigation that is ultimately unsubstantiated, you've created a system that has no realistic avenue for juniors to report discrimination, abuse, etc. Personally, if I'm going to err to one side, I'd prefer it be the one where juniors have a system to identify problems, and I'll eat the risk of enduring an unfounded investigation.
Spekkio
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Generally in agreeance, but maybe we could do without holding up promotions while the process takes 7+ months to adjudicate.
I think we need many more facts about the example you're deploying here. You're making all these claims about a case that none of us are able to evaluate.
Spekkio
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Brett, if someone could dox you and judge you by posts that got you banned from aw.com about 10-15 years ago, they would.
I understand that's not what is written on a piece of paper. But I'm talking about FO promotions, not O4 - O6 promotions.
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Spekkio
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Army report that has data to demonstrate the staggering amount of IG reports vs substantiated claims:
Alternate take: The staggering percentage of unsubstantiated reports means the IG process works.
A little perspective here... it's important to distinguish between IG investigations for alleged misconduct vs. all the garden variety IG reports that commands handle. I've received IG reports about where Gov't vehicles should park, and that there's inadequate ventilation in the swimming pool locker room. For most of these, all the ISIC IG expects is a "got it, we'll look into it" from the command. We even got an IG report from what turned out to be someone's ex-wife that claimed (among other things) that this person was cheating on their online college course. Really bizarre stuff.
Some people are very passionate about when a particular gate is open, or what the speed limit should be, or when we open certain areas for fishing. That said, even though these people should really learn to use the CO's suggestion box, very few of these kinds of complaints result in anything other than a "noted."
A little perspective here... it's important to distinguish between IG investigations for alleged misconduct vs. all the garden variety IG reports that commands handle. I've received IG reports about where Gov't vehicles should park, and that there's inadequate ventilation in the swimming pool locker room. For most of these, all the ISIC IG expects is a "got it, we'll look into it" from the command. We even got an IG report from what turned out to be someone's ex-wife that claimed (among other things) that this person was cheating on their online college course. Really bizarre stuff.
Some people are very passionate about when a particular gate is open, or what the speed limit should be, or when we open certain areas for fishing. That said, even though these people should really learn to use the CO's suggestion box, very few of these kinds of complaints result in anything other than a "noted."
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
While I don't think the IG 'success' rate should be 100%, unsubstantiated cases are a waste of valuable government resources.
"Sorry your legitimate complaint of discrimination or abuse has to wait months for us to get to it. We're currently processing 5642 complaints from SVMs using us as retribution to avoid NJP for popping positive on urinalysis."
"Sorry your legitimate complaint of discrimination or abuse has to wait months for us to get to it. We're currently processing 5642 complaints from SVMs using us as retribution to avoid NJP for popping positive on urinalysis."
There’s also a difference between unsubstantiated vs frivolous or fraudulent. The former, again, proves the process works. Would be interested to see any data that shows how many IG claims that are submitted to be in the latter category. And given how many junior service members truly don’t understand how a lot of regulations actually work, what appears to be frivolous is not necessarily so because whoever submitted the claim just doesn’t understand how shit works.