It’s an effort to repeal the 2002 AUMF (Iraq war), which isn’t relevant to this discussion.
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Drug Boat Strike
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If it was a maritime LE action (via maritime AUF), heading or turns wouldn't have any bearing (see what I did there). It's still a non-state actor operating in non-compliance and has met the ROE (via approval by TACON).
I completely understand the lack of clarity by the administration on what action this actually was, and thus the reluctance of members here to endorse it. I'm just giving you the historical precedent for the maritime LE side.
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Well it is called WILDerness for a reason.
Bottom line, this should have been a F3EA thing, (find, fix, finish, exploit, analyze) thing. It’s what I did for three years of my life.
To the best of my knowledge, they just did F3. The only reason I can think of to not do the exploit/analyze is to get rid of the evidence.
Sink the evidence and fire the JAGs.
To the best of my knowledge, they just did F3. The only reason I can think of to not do the exploit/analyze is to get rid of the evidence.
Sink the evidence and fire the JAGs.
That was step one.
Couple of good articles in the NYT and The Atlantic discussing this might be reasserting the Monroe Doctrine and also Secretary of State Rubio’s involvement.
The Venezuelans Cheering Trump’s Drug War
To certain members of the opposition, the Caribbean anticartel operation seems to promise long-awaited salvation.
As an MQ-9 guy, this sucks. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, our political leaders have put them in a position where they will second guess themselves. Did they kill people who didn't deserve it? Maybe. Maybe they're okay with it now. Maybe it will haunt their dreams and keep them from a night's sleep when they're 70.
We killed a lot of innocent people in the GWOT via hellfire from a Predator or Reaper because we didn't really understand what was going on. I want to believe we learned something from that.
I want to believe that the guys who pulled the weapons consent switch will be able to know that these people deserved to die.
I fear that our politicians won't lose sleep over this. I fear they've moved on. Meanwhile a JO and an NCO is grappling with a decision every time they log on to social media.
The thing is: for good people, empathy doesn't stop at national origin, socioeconomic status, race, gender, or political affiliation.
We killed a lot of innocent people in the GWOT via hellfire from a Predator or Reaper because we didn't really understand what was going on. I want to believe we learned something from that.
I want to believe that the guys who pulled the weapons consent switch will be able to know that these people deserved to die.
I fear that our politicians won't lose sleep over this. I fear they've moved on. Meanwhile a JO and an NCO is grappling with a decision every time they log on to social media.
The thing is: for good people, empathy doesn't stop at national origin, socioeconomic status, race, gender, or political affiliation.
Afghan family decimated by US drone strike awaits justice from Washington
An Afghan family that lost 10 members, including seven children, in a mistaken U.S. drone strike on a Kabul home says it is still seeking justice and has yet to hear from the Americans more than two months after the tragedy.
Hope you were just as outraged at this
This has been true since the beginning of warfare.
If you don't believe it the kill/attack is valid, you don't pull the trigger (switch, button, device).
This hold true up to and including our nuclear capability (fail safe).
I do believe that the ethics of warfare/killing should be more than just a cursory study, if it even happens at all in Officer and NCO training institutions.
Hollywood got this totally backwards, of course, and now millions upon millions of people believe that in the US you don't have the ability to say no.
While this is true, it’s very easy to say that academically on the clean lines of our freshly-updated forum. However, things in war are rarely so clean, and pressure from above (such as a SECDEF who openly calls for action without regard for legality) only further complicates the picture.
Now it seems they are going to start a war in Venezuela, because reasons, I guess. Know what you are getting into, fellas.
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Hence, the need for "the ethics of warfare" to be taught and studied throughout one's military career, no matter how short or long that may be.
It is a critical missing component.
I'm not outraged, I'm disappointed. As I was when we killed the guy who had a car full of water, that we were so sure was a bomb, during the AFG pullout. I also was during the Obama era where we'd kill anyone who was digging in a field at night (then we learned they farmed at night because it was much cooler), or walking with a rifle, etc...Afghan family decimated by US drone strike awaits justice from Washington
An Afghan family that lost 10 members, including seven children, in a mistaken U.S. drone strike on a Kabul home says it is still seeking justice and has yet to hear from the Americans more than two months after the tragedy.www.reuters.com
Hope you were just as outraged at this
Again, we learned a lot. Why continue the make the same mistakes?
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Yeah. It's a little different in this community when you have chat rooms and phones and, depending on the support of your command, you may lose your job and career because you didn't do something. Even with the support of your command, they can only do so much when the the situation room is watching.
The USMC did a pretty good job of ethical decision making in warfare for CGOs. We don't want another My Lai. The USAF isn't so good. And there are folks who essentially say that if certain words are said in the chat rooms or on the phones it's on someone else "higher". While true in a sense, they still have to look themselves in the mirror every morning.