I hear rumors of SNA and SNFO drawing per diem when they get to NAS Pensacola and start API. What I'm hearing is this continues all throughout flight school and if you have follow-on orders, you are eligible for it. I've been searching for the instruction which allows for this to make sure I am eligible when I move to Pensacola to begin training. I've called PSD at NAS Pensacola and no one seemed to be able to help me. If someone could shed some light on this subject, I'd be greatly appreciative.
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Per diem?
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I also heard we are all issued Cadillac Escalades to be used as POV's. Do we get these while in the A-Pool or in the 4th week of API when issued flight gear?
Prepare for the let down of a life time. That is definitely not true. WHat you will get is per diem from the last date your orders are modified (while in API) until the day you check out of API. For most people, this happens around the 4th or 5th week of API, so you would typically get a couple week's worth of pay @ $108/day. BUT, if they mod your orders again (like you were being sent to Corpus, and then oops, now you're goin to Whiting) the per diem start date also changes to whenever that is. So some people get "screwed" out of most of this money. But if you think about it, nobody is getting screwed as you are also drawing BAH the whole time.
panzerfinder15
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Not that I know of
Prior to January 2008 SNA's with follow on orders pulled their full previous location BAH plus per diem. That is not the case anymore. If you are an SNA, you will only receive Transient BAH (~550), that's it. I know that this applies single SNA's w/o follow on. I am not sure if it applies to married SNA or SNA with Follow on. Myself (SNFO) draws P-Cola BAH, and will continue to only P-Cola BAH. This rule changed mid game for a lot of people, and got screwed out of a lot of money (that they also should not have had. One of my friends was pulling San Diego BAH plus Per DIem and was living in a 2400/month resort. THe system was abused, they overcorrected). If you are an SNA, the safe thing to do is to get a real cheap place when you get down here that won't take up too much of your transient BAH. There are some 1 bedroom, 900 sq ft. apartments just outside of corry station for ~650/mth, or find a roomate. If you are NFO, you'll get BAH (~1100) for your entire stay, since you are PCS'd here. I am currently in API, and I have not heard any of my SNA buddies talk about getting per diem, so either you have old info, or my entire class in the dark (we're starting week 5 on monday). As a final word, depending on your designator, you could be in P-Cola for 6-8 months (I sat in a-pool for 8 months because a redneck rear ended me, putting me med down for a while) The typical SNA wait in summer is 1-3 months, and the typical NFO wait in A-Pool is 2-5 months. Hope this helps.
Prior to January 2008 SNA's with follow on orders pulled their full previous location BAH plus per diem. That is not the case anymore. If you are an SNA, you will only receive Transient BAH (~550), that's it. I know that this applies single SNA's w/o follow on. I am not sure if it applies to married SNA or SNA with Follow on. Myself (SNFO) draws P-Cola BAH, and will continue to only P-Cola BAH. This rule changed mid game for a lot of people, and got screwed out of a lot of money (that they also should not have had. One of my friends was pulling San Diego BAH plus Per DIem and was living in a 2400/month resort. THe system was abused, they overcorrected). If you are an SNA, the safe thing to do is to get a real cheap place when you get down here that won't take up too much of your transient BAH. There are some 1 bedroom, 900 sq ft. apartments just outside of corry station for ~650/mth, or find a roomate. If you are NFO, you'll get BAH (~1100) for your entire stay, since you are PCS'd here. I am currently in API, and I have not heard any of my SNA buddies talk about getting per diem, so either you have old info, or my entire class in the dark (we're starting week 5 on monday). As a final word, depending on your designator, you could be in P-Cola for 6-8 months (I sat in a-pool for 8 months because a redneck rear ended me, putting me med down for a while) The typical SNA wait in summer is 1-3 months, and the typical NFO wait in A-Pool is 2-5 months. Hope this helps.
panzerfinder15
New Member
BTW, you can give Flight Management a call (they are a group of O-1's that are stashed and work for the LT's that teach in API and run A-Pool) They should know the current up to date info for SNA's, since it's changed 3 times in the last year. Again, as a SNFO, I know that I only pull P-Cola BAH. 850-452-2889 call NLT 1100 on a weekday and there should be 3-4 Ensigns sitting around who can answer your question.
Since you are there maybe you could give me a little bit of an idea about what to expect. My husband is at OCS right now and soon we will be coming to Pcola, he is going to be an NFO. Can you give me an idea about the timeline for the training there and is there a wait to even begin training? What is SNA? Talking about getting an apartment, is there not any housing available on base right now? I would really appreciate any info you could share.
corvettetimmy
Registered User
If you are an SNA and you are not living in the barracks and you are not moving your family/HHG to Pensacola while in API and you acquire TEMPORARY LODGING (i.e. hotel or month to month lease in a condo or something) then you are entitled to per diem..
I left API April 18th and there was an instruction taped to the Student control desk that stated such.
It had case by case situations whether you were prior enlisted or not prior. Basically if you don't bring your family and don't do a HHG move until your permanent duty station (Milton, Corpus, or Vance) and you don't live in the barracks then you are entitled.
I know for sure because myself and about 5 of my classmates all lived in temporary housing and such during API and then moved to a "Permanent residence" at Milton.. We all collected perdiem. About $14,000.00 or so..
Call PSD and ask for Mrs Smith or Mrs Spear in the student section if you have questions. If they cant help you then work up their chain of command and ask to speak with Ed Levin. They all know me very well when it comes to Per Diem..
I left API April 18th and there was an instruction taped to the Student control desk that stated such.
It had case by case situations whether you were prior enlisted or not prior. Basically if you don't bring your family and don't do a HHG move until your permanent duty station (Milton, Corpus, or Vance) and you don't live in the barracks then you are entitled.
I know for sure because myself and about 5 of my classmates all lived in temporary housing and such during API and then moved to a "Permanent residence" at Milton.. We all collected perdiem. About $14,000.00 or so..
Call PSD and ask for Mrs Smith or Mrs Spear in the student section if you have questions. If they cant help you then work up their chain of command and ask to speak with Ed Levin. They all know me very well when it comes to Per Diem..
Timmy is pretty much spot on, the key is not moving your family prior to primary.
What if you don't have any dependents, but have follow on orders to Whiting? I started API today, but I haven't filed any paperwork for my PCS move that I was entitled to when I moved all my things down here. Could I wait to do that when I move to Milton and get perdiem while I'm in A-pool?
corvettetimmy
Registered User
Go to PSD monday and talk to Ladonna Smith or Patti Spear.
They handle the Per Diem stuff. You should be entitled to it. Just as long as you are living in a Temporary Residence (which you are as long as you move to a new apt or house when you check in to your next duty station) then you are entitled to per diem. Go to PSD and talk face to face.. thats the only way I could get anything done there.
If you have follow on orders, it is not considered temp duty. The guaranteed situation for receiving per diem is you are prior enlisted (BDCP counts, while Academy/ROTC do not), stay attached to NASC less than 140 days (however this can be extended with a letter of extension from stucon), and then move to a permanent duty station (Corpus or Milton). The key is the prior enlisted time as that's what makes API temp orders as you're still technically attached to your prior permanent duty station until they can transfer you to a new permanent station.
So to summarize, if you came from ROTC or the Academy you should not rate per diem. There may be a few people who squeezed through the cracks and actually received it having come from either of those commissioning sources but just consider it luck because you never had a prior duty station before reporting to NASC.
Hopefully what i just said isn't too confusing.
corvettetimmy
Registered User
That is not what the instruction from PSD says. Hopefully someone in API can scan a copy of the paper that stu-con has on the desk down there and post it up here for everyone to see. For SNA's as long as you were living in temporary housing and did not move your household goods then you were entitled to per diem.
Your accession code needs to be 341 to qualify. Furthermore, you need TEMDUINS accounting data for them to charge (this is provided on your API orders if you are indeed temp duty).
But if your accession code is 341 then you shouldn't have follow on orders, or be authorized a PCS move. That was straight from PSD's mouth during the in-brief.
And to add some info, I was non-BDCP OCS. My orders read: "ATTN API-member has been issued a PCS move to the Pensacola/Milton local area. Member will recieve follow on orders to TW-5 at Whiting Field...." Among other things and I have an ACC of 342. I'm just trying to gather as much info before I go in there and talk to them. I haven't done my PCS move yet, so I'm wondering how that would play in to all of this.
FlyingSquidz
New Member
i was reading this and just happened to have my orders on the desk....
i am a prior enlisted, orders 341 with follow on to whiting. drew per diem while down there. now in milton.
gtg941f sounds the most accurate from when i was there.
i am not sure how things have changed since i left while they were getting audited around feb/mar.