Per diem?

[gtg941f]

But if your accession code is 341 then you shouldn't have follow on orders, or be authorized a PCS move. That was straight from PSD's mouth during the in-brief.

And to add some info, I was non-BDCP OCS. My orders read: "ATTN API-member has been issued a PCS move to the Pensacola/Milton local area. Member will recieve follow on orders to TW-5 at Whiting Field...." Among other things and I have an ACC of 342. I'm just trying to gather as much info before I go in there and talk to them. I haven't done my PCS move yet, so I'm wondering how that would play in to all of this.

Everything you've just mentioned is exactly why you are NOT entitled to per diem. SNFOs come on 342 orders as well because they are permanent to P'cola area, therefore your situation is identical to that of a SNFO and when is the last time your heard of one of them getting per diem.

You've never had a permanent duty station and weren't BDCP. You need 341 orders because that's the whole point--it's temporary! On 341 orders you are not granted a PCS move and therefore are living a temp lifestyle and require per diem until assigned a permanent duty station.

Again, it can be pretty much summarized as requiring the following:
1) prior enlisted or BDCP with orders having you assigned to a prior duty station
2) 341 orders to API (your permanent station is still your prior duty station and you are on temp orders to NASC)

 

[Sinatra]

With all the rumors about travel, per diem, etc I figured I'd share this

http://dodtravelregs.hqda.pentagon.mil/propub/template.htm?view=main

gouge is great, but sometimes you need to look for yourself, IMO

 

[xmid]

Eh, well it sucks I won't be getting the money, but I wasn't expecting it so I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot anyway. It seems like either my time at NASP or Whiting should be considered temporary since unlike the NFO's with ACC 342 I'm going to have to move for primary flight training. Such is life I guess...

The regs define a PCS move as:
"PERMANENT CHANGE OF STATION (PCS). In general, the assignment, detail, or transfer of a member or unit to a different PDS under a competent authorization/order that does not specify the duty as temporary, provide for further assignment to a new PDS, or direct return to the old PDS; "

And define the geographic limits of a PDS as:

"a. For a member. The limits of the post of duty or official station are the ship (for the specified purposes), or the corporate limits of the city or town in which the member is stationed. If the member is not stationed in a ship or in an incorporated city or town, the official station limits are the reservation, station, or other established area, including established large reservation subdivisions (e.g., McGuire AFB and Ft Dix) having definite boundaries, within which the designated post of duty is located. When a reservation, station, other established area or established large reservation subdivision (e.g., McGuire AFB and Ft. Dix) falls within two or more corporate city limits (e.g., the districts of Honolulu and any other such as Ewa, Hawai’i) or crosses recognized borders (e.g., Ft. Campbell is in Tennessee and Kentucky), it is not in either one for PDS purposes. The limits of the PDS are then solely the limits of the reservation, station, other established area or established large reservation subdivision."

So considering Whiting is outside the corporate limits of Pensacola I read that to mean I shouldn't have actually recieved a PCS move to NASP with follow on to Milton considering they should be two different PDS's and "PCS orders can not specify the duty as temporary, or provide for further assignment to a new PDS."

 

[et1nuke]

Can someone who received per diem recently comment on the process of the claim through PSD? Specifically SNAs at API. I sifted through quite a bit of gouge on the site and read through the new "Navy Sponsor Package" for API students which is available for download at
https://www.netc.navy.mil/NASCWEB/ATS.HTM

My question is if you actually have to physically move from one place to another? For example at API you must occupy "temporary lodging" (month to month or hotel) then during Primary you can live in a "permanet lodging" can these be the same place and qualify for the per diem while at API? I'm just wondering if I can get a place near Whiting that is month to month and not have to make any moves. I'm just confused because a few people have said you can't move your family or HHGs.

 

[gotta_fly]

Can someone who received per diem recently comment on the process of the claim through PSD? Specifically SNAs at API. I sifted through quite a bit of gouge on the site and read through the new "Navy Sponsor Package" for API students which is available for download at
https://www.netc.navy.mil/NASCWEB/ATS.HTM

My question is if you actually have to physically move from one place to another? For example at API you must occupy "temporary lodging" (month to month or hotel) then during Primary you can live in a "permanet lodging" can these be the same place and qualify for the per diem while at API? I'm just wondering if I can get a place near Whiting that is month to month and not have to make any moves. I'm just confused because a few people have said you can't move your family or HHGs.

If you're married and your family is moving with you then you will probably receive follow-on orders to Whiting. In that case you won't get any per diem since you'll be PCSing down. Single SNAs don't PCS here.

 

[et1nuke]

Okay so I've been trying to find out the answer to this frustrating question regarding Per Diem while at API. I've been asking people here on the forum and talking to friends who have recently gone through training and calling PSD. It seems like about half the people I talk to say no and the other half say either yes or its complicated to prove/do. After calling almost everyone at PSD yesterday one lady was curious about the welcome aboard package I had read (the link is in an ealier post). She decided to go talk to someone above her and here is the email I got back from her today.

Just printed out the package, asked Disbursing Officer who is the Dept Head for TPC. The outcome was in your favor, yes your entitled to Perdiem as long as your orders have the Temduins line of accounting data and adhere to the stipulations.

I apologize for the confusion, seems like I was not notified when the instructions were changed.

I'm still trying to find out all of the little details regarding collecting the money and what all you can claim. I've been reading through the JFTR and trying to match that all up with all the other information that I've come across.

 

[KCOTT]

I am so confused when it comes to this. I don't think it has ever been clearly explained. Somebody the other day was telling me (according to the lady that briefs API students in Week 5) that if you've been stuck here for less than 6 months, you don't get a full PCS move to Corpus. I will graduate API ten days short of an entire six months, so does that mean I won't be getting a PCS move to Corpus? I never got a PCS move to come down here, and now I won't be getting one to Corpus? I don't know. And another thing, I have not yet received any money from the partial move to get down here. I was told they would pay up to 600 lbs and I would get that money once I do the paperwork at Corpus. Another SNA here told me that there's certain paperwork you have to fill out here at PSD to get that money, which he did, and ended up getting a check for $500-$600 from Norfolk. I've also talked to another SNA who knows someone at Whiting who got a $16k check for per diem. What exactly is going on? Seems like a mess that nobody has any answers for.

 

[Praying4OCS]

I just got the per diem last week. Here are my details....

1. Prior enlisted w/no break in service (PDS in San Diego)
2. Submitted TDY orders with 341 code (all stops intermediate until Whiting, which was ultimate activity)
3. Orders had no goverment quarters available stamp
4. Submitted temp lodging lease (month to month)
5. Submitted proof a rent and all utilities
6. Submiited permanent address lease (must be different than temp address)

I think that is all that was needed. You must stay on PSD to get this. I submitted my initial request the second week of April and it took two months to get the money. I called on a weekly basis. Hope this helps.

 

[et1nuke]

I just got the per diem last week. Here are my details....

1. Prior enlisted w/no break in service (PDS in San Diego)
2. Submitted TDY orders with 341 code (all stops intermediate until Whiting, which was ultimate activity)
3. Orders had no goverment quarters available stamp
4. Submitted temp lodging lease (month to month)
5. Submitted proof a rent and all utilities
6. Submiited permanent address lease (must be different than temp address)

I think that is all that was needed. You must stay on PSD to get this. I submitted my initial request the second week of April and it took two months to get the money. I called on a weekly basis. Hope this helps.

So would you recommend a married SNA get a month to month close to pensacola then move to something close to Milton after API. Also is there any need to get that stamp on your orders right away? Can I initially come stay at the Q then check-in find a place to lease and get the stamp when I'm ready to move to the place and not stay at the Q or should I just ask for a stamp right away and stay at a hotel on town? Any thoughts?

 

[Van]

I am also a bit confused about this whole issue. I am a prior E and have dependents. I have orders that "meet the requirements" for per diem but what about moving the family? If they move down with me (or shortly after I check in) would I still get per diem if we lived in a month-month rental during IFS and API?

 

[Mauldice]

Is 6. an absolute requirement because in reading the API welcome aboard packet it just seems like you need to have a month to month lease and be ACC 341 on your orders.

Also, does it have to be a month to month lease? or would a 7 month lease that ends in your PRD month work?

here is the link to the welcome aboard packet i read.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...4Zs--TDCN1g0rqqXQ&sig2=h_c7tYiXmmQuxLAC8yNEeQ

if that doesn't work, google search "per diem student naval aviator" and its the second result.

 

[Praying4OCS]

So would you recommend a married SNA ...............Any thoughts?

I do, especially if you are trying to get the per diem. As far as the stamp, if I remeber correctly the stamp is needed for your check-in requirements and to continue BAH as well as use for per diem later. Also, remember that you are also authorized TLE for 10 days if you want/need to stay in a hotel while finding a place.

I am also a bit confused .............................. month-month rental during IFS and API?

This is where it becomes a little fuzzy. From what I read in the JFTR you should still be authorized the per diem. It shouldn't matter where your family is because you are still away from your PDS until reporting to the Wing. The trick is not to get a permanent address, just a month to month. Im not a 100% on this so don't quote me.

Is 6. an absolute requirement ..................... "per diem student naval aviator" and its the second result.

I was told I needed a long term lease at a new residence to get the per diem. Luckily I had already planned to move anyway. A temporary residence is the point. I would recommend a month to momth lease.

 

[ivillarreal]

I was told I needed a long term lease at a new residence to get the per diem. Luckily I had already planned to move anyway. A temporary residence is the point. I would recommend a month to momth lease.[/QUOTE]

Is this long term lease needed upon completion or towards the end of API?

 

[KCOTT]

I just got the per diem last week. Here are my details....

1. Prior enlisted w/no break in service (PDS in San Diego)
2. Submitted TDY orders with 341 code (all stops intermediate until Whiting, which was ultimate activity)
3. Orders had no goverment quarters available stamp
4. Submitted temp lodging lease (month to month)
5. Submitted proof a rent and all utilities
6. Submiited permanent address lease (must be different than temp address)

I think that is all that was needed. You must stay on PSD to get this. I submitted my initial request the second week of April and it took two months to get the money. I called on a weekly basis. Hope this helps.

So how long have you been down here?

 

[Praying4OCS]

Is this long term lease needed upon completion or towards the end of API?

After API. You will need the new residence/long term lease to claim the per diem.

So how long have you been down here?

I reported to NASC the first week of September last year, started API Feb 20, then transfered and started Primary April 20.