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Another nail in the coffin of Old-School Naval Avaition..
- Thread starter MasterBates
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Are we still talking about socks? God Bless the Marines but some definitely take the whole 'gung ho' thing a bit far, never go full motard!
Why did the Navy have to get more like the Air Farce? Why couldn't the USAF see a good thing in old school NAVAIR and become more like that? With the exception of more emphasis on expeditionary air warfare (demanded by the GWOT versus inspired thought), it has all been one way. Navy more USAF and USAF still retarded.
What exactly are you talking about? Something specific?
To start with, flight suits and flight jackets. But then there is the no defect culture, nanny leadership, flight training grading, unit level operational risk crap on liberty, and erosion of the naval service tradition of command by negation. That is just off the top of my head. I can guarantee you, that anyone around in my day finds the Navy more like the USAF today than in our day, and the USAF not much different than it was 30-40 years ago.
Tailhook.............nuf said.
I have gotten a little tired of all the doom and gloom crap about Naval Aviation going down the tubes, I heard when I came in almost 20 years ago and it hasn't stopped since...
Having come after Tailhook '91 and the backlash from that I haven't seen Naval Aviation change that much during my time in the service. Flight suits and jackets? The rules and regs make a little more sense even since I came in and frankly aren't that big a deal. Rank on our shoulders and no patches on leather jackets? *Shrug*. Big friggin deal. Other than that.....? Better than the stupid reindeer games folks used to play with it being a working uniform you couldn't even wear for a gas stop.
I actually worked with the USAF my whole career and can say with certainty that we aren't anywhere close to their level of 'fun'.
And not to point out the obvious but the good 'ol days weren't always so good. I have heard plenty of stories and know enough history, along with living a little bit of that history myself, to know that Naval Aviation hasn't always been sunshine, rainbows and picking up the hottest girl in the bar, in Singapore. Keep going back and you will find Tonkin Gulf Yatch Club members who thought you '80's guys were lightweights, WWII guys who still probably think those Vietnam guys were a bunch of stiffs, and so on.
Naval Aviation is still getting a tough job done every day and will continue to do so long after everyone on this website are retired and long gone.
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Funny (?) how an old thread still brings up such angst.
Really?
Agree with the first part; however, the second part ignores real, undeniable trends.
Still better than a real job? Absolutely. A future of rainbows and unicorns? No.
Really?
Agree with the first part; however, the second part ignores real, undeniable trends.
Still better than a real job? Absolutely. A future of rainbows and unicorns? No.
I meant the culture, not Naval Aviation as a whole. But yes, really. I admit that I am at a disadvantage since I am still only part time but I haven't been put completely to pasture yet.
Like what?
Yeah, ultimately, just looking to get our squadron to get with colored shirts, the right way. There is no NAVADMIN listed in the reference library that addresses the issue and everyone does reference that CNAF email, but no one can seem to find it.
USAF ready rooms - sanctuaries of officer pilots - to this day have copious amounts of beer and popcorn at the ready 24/7. I agree, the AF does indeed do "fun" well - especially among flight crews. Everyone seems to understand the rules and they don't have a problem with it.
Pick your poison. The Marines have always been handover on uniformity. That's part of being a Marine. I honestly don't know why the Navy has such a hard-on for colored shirts, and though it's possible to go overboard, what's so hard about wearing black or green socks? They do look a bit more...cough...military...than gym socks.
And the same time, the Marine Corps has never gone full PC on callsigns, partying, etc, to the extent the USN has.
The USAF is tougher on their little nitnoid rules, but they are way easier on lifestyle-type rules, like wearing bags in town, etc.
And the same time, the Marine Corps has never gone full PC on callsigns, partying, etc, to the extent the USN has.
The USAF is tougher on their little nitnoid rules, but they are way easier on lifestyle-type rules, like wearing bags in town, etc.
I would say this is why you don't see what has happened to Naval Aviation. Being an E-3 guy and working with the Air Force isn't really the meat and potatoes of Naval Aviation so maybe your viewpoint is skewed.
Can you search message traffic in Outlook from last year? It'll be in there. I'd just search for "Airboss" since he usually signs his traffic with "Airboss Sends".