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01JUN26 SNA/SNFO board

tkaglic said:
Alright now you don't have to be like that. Everyone was helping take the answer and move on. Tattoos can wait a year or two till you get out of OCS. Why risk it.
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Former has an extensive history of being purposefully rude and dismissive.

To the waiting question: I’ve wanted it for years but flight school/flying is a very restrictive schedule to work around. Figured I would at least start it now, before that happens, if possible.
 
MowinThaAir said:
Former has an extensive history of being purposefully rude and dismissive.

To the waiting question: I’ve wanted it for years but flight school/flying is a very restrictive schedule to work around. Figured I would at least start it now, before that happens, if possible.
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Check the attitude, kiddo. You got the answer you needed, and someone beat me to the punch on providing the actual form. That’s how forums work. You could have just taken the answer and moved on instead of trying to make a statement. You asked a question about tattoos and got an answer.

As for being "purposefully rude and dismissive", if providing direct feedback without the sugarcoating is "rude," then we have different definitions of the word. Accuracy matters more than just warm fuzzies, which appear to be what you personally want here.
 
FormerRecruitingGuru said:
"4. I understand the Navy's policy on tattoo, body art, body mutilation and body markings. I further understand that I am not to obtain or have any additional tattoos, body art, body mutilation, body or body markings applied to my body while in school or awaiting commissioning. Failure to comply with this warning could result in my release from all commissioning programs."

Awaiting commissioning = "Before OCS”
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What instruction or document did you find this in?
 
FormerRecruitingGuru said:
Check the attitude, kiddo. You got the answer you needed, and someone beat me to the punch on providing the actual form. That’s how forums work. You could have just taken the answer and moved on instead of trying to make a statement. You asked a question about tattoos and got an answer.

As for being "purposefully rude and dismissive", if providing direct feedback without the sugarcoating is "rude," then we have different definitions of the word. Accuracy matters more than just "warm fuzzies".
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You can’t even respond without adding the patronizing “kiddo” to another adult. You could have provided the actual form in the first place, without the attitude of “really,” yet you decided not to.

Direct feedback can be given while simultaneously being constructive. Be a resource if you want to be, but quit letting your ego get in the way of being helpful to others. I’ve seen a ton of your responses on this site and reddit, and you consistently belittle people asking simple questions. While the answer may be “check the forums” or “use the search function,” you could learn a thing or two about guiding others instead of being purely disrespectful.
 
bailey8756 said:
Page 2-30 says what Tkaglic quoted. Im looking for what FormerRecruitingGuru quoted. I’d just like to know where he was quoting from.
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I’m pretty sure it’s just standard recruiter verbiage to be used in the NAVPERS 1070/618 (essentially a special circumstances document used for everything administrative that’s not included in a standard form) that gets attached to your NAVCRUIT 1130/304 signifying that the recruiter did inform you of the rules around new tattoos and you acknowledged it.
 
MowinThaAir said:
You can’t even respond without adding the patronizing “kiddo” to another adult. You could have provided the actual form in the first place, without the attitude of “really,” yet you decided not to.

Direct feedback can be given while simultaneously being constructive. Be a resource if you want to be, but quit letting your ego get in the way of being helpful to others. I’ve seen a ton of your responses on this site and reddit, and you consistently belittle people asking simple questions. While the answer may be “check the forums” or “use the search function,” you could learn a thing or two about guiding others instead of being purely disrespectful.
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You're moving the goalposts because you were called out. You didn't immediately ask for the form; you asked for permission, and was told you don't have it. Telling you "no" isn't being rude, it’s keeping you from tanking your career before it even starts.

You signed the paperwork. Whether it's the 1130/104 or a specific Page 13 (https://txnavy.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/misc-sect-20160502.pdf), and regardless of minor language variations or versions across forms, the message remains "do not get tattoos between now and OCS". That is a directive, not a suggestion. If you can't handle non-sugar coated feedback on a forum, then you aren't ready for the accountability that comes with a commission. Are you going to tell the OCS instructors they are being "rude and dismissive" too?

I'm not here to be your friend; I'm here to give you the facts. Do what you want with them and perhaps while you're at it read the room with other posters on here who have given you feedback on your tone.

All you had to say when another poster provided you the instruction was say "Thank you" and end it there.
 
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MowinThaAir said:
You can’t even respond without adding the patronizing “kiddo” to another adult. You could have provided the actual form in the first place, without the attitude of “really,” yet you decided not to.

Direct feedback can be given while simultaneously being constructive. Be a resource if you want to be, but quit letting your ego get in the way of being helpful to others. I’ve seen a ton of your responses on this site and reddit, and you consistently belittle people asking simple questions. While the answer may be “check the forums” or “use the search function,” you could learn a thing or two about guiding others instead of being purely disrespectful.
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On another note, you seem to be struggling with the difference between candid, direct feedback and being rude and dismissive, so let’s clear that up with examples, especially the "Use the search function" argument you can't seem to let go:
  • Candid/Direct Feedback: "The information you are looking for is readily available via the search function."
  • Rude and Dismissive: "Hey idiot, why can't you use the search function, dumbass?"
There is a significant difference between facilitating a member to find their answer and being "disrespectful." If I were actually "rude and dismissive" by forum standards, I would have been banned years ago.
 
I didn’t move any goalposts. I asked for advice/insight because there was an area I wasn’t familiar with due to the form I signed not acknowledging future tattoos. If there was a newer form, you could have provided it in the first place, to back up your blanket claim of “no.”

It’s not my fault you couldn’t provide the reasoning behind your claim to begin with, that’s on you. The 1130/104 I signed says nothing about tattoos between the time of signing and training, hence my question of it being open to amending. If someone isn’t allowed to do something, they’re allowed to ask why that is.

Nobody’s asking you to be their friend, simply be a resource instead of a critic. You’re a former recruiter, you should know that leading others doesn’t mean belittling them for asking a question.

And to your “read the room” comment: I strongly encourage you to do the same. One other person on this forum telling me to roll with it is nowhere near the amount of people who have told you to watch your tone. Lead by example.
 
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