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121 Die in Greek Air Crash after co-pilot found slumped on controls and no pilot
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Mefesto said:
An article I read said the bodies that were scattered about were wearing O2 masks. So the rubber jungle did deploy, and the passengers had them on. Also made mention of a cell phone call by a passenger to his cousin saying that they were "freezing."
From what I understand about commercial airliner supplemental oxygen systems for passengers, they are typically sodium chlorate candles that use a chemical reaction to produce oxygen. They don't last very long (no more than 12 minutes on average) and as such they are strictly a "get me down" system. OBOGS are typically used for military aircraft and I doubt that it is used on any 737's. As for the cabin crew (pilots, FA's) they usually have a separate oxygen system that is independent from all other systems.
I read in one of the stories online that investigators were looking at the possibility of a toxic gas in the cabin. This could be feasible if the pilots did not use the 100% oxygen and emergency settings. Unless the system is set to both, the potential to breathe in toxic gases increases dramatically. Effective performance time (EPT) at FL300 is only 1-2 minutes and a toxin works synergistically to decrease that time. Finally, rapid decompressions will cut the EPT in half.
One thing is for sure, something very wrong happened on that flight. What it is? Only time will tell...
I read in one of the stories online that investigators were looking at the possibility of a toxic gas in the cabin. This could be feasible if the pilots did not use the 100% oxygen and emergency settings. Unless the system is set to both, the potential to breathe in toxic gases increases dramatically. Effective performance time (EPT) at FL300 is only 1-2 minutes and a toxin works synergistically to decrease that time. Finally, rapid decompressions will cut the EPT in half.
One thing is for sure, something very wrong happened on that flight. What it is? Only time will tell...
yep, air does seem to consistently flow from a higher pressure to a lower pressure
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HEY!!!
Riddle me this:
How come all you Air"Warriors" know-nothings have no problem-o "speckalatin' " on civilian crash & burns and yet are absolutely apoplectic regarding speculation on a Navy crash & burn --- again, when you know nothing about the procedures, aircraft, and relative states of training of the civilians ..... ??????
Hmmmmmm ...... ??? Anyone??? ANYONE ?????
No AW smiles on this .....
Riddle me this:
How come all you Air"Warriors" know-nothings have no problem-o "speckalatin' " on civilian crash & burns and yet are absolutely apoplectic regarding speculation on a Navy crash & burn --- again, when you know nothing about the procedures, aircraft, and relative states of training of the civilians ..... ??????
Hmmmmmm ...... ??? Anyone??? ANYONE ?????
No AW smiles on this .....
Well, I guess it's unfortunate that you think we all know nothing about commercial aviation and its associated training requirements and procedures. I do think there is some inconsistency in the desire to talk about commericial crashes vs. milititary mishaps. However, I can also understand the desire to keep things that happen in the military secret as most of the causes of those mishaps only apply to military aviation. It is frustrating to me, but understandable none the less.A4sForever said:
There are several folks on this board who hold ATP certificates and even those who have flown for commerical airlines (newly commissioned officers that is). I'm sure that just because they are only "nuggets" in their squadron doesn't suddenly make them ignorant of the "procedures, aircraft, and relative states of training of the civilians." I realize that their experience may not measure up to that of a 747 Captain. However, that doesn't make their opinions any less valid does it?
I speculted my @ss off for the H-3 video (I know somehtings about that stuff)but I dont know dick about civilian airliners other than I dont want to get in one unless its flown by an American and maybe a few European and Australian exceptions so I wont be commenting on this, that is all.
