18 SEP 18 IWC Board

[Navy_Esq]

Hi all, Newbie here just checking in on this thread. This will be first board to evaluate my app, and I feel a little like a kid waiting to get those college envelopes again, so I'm hoping this forum will offer some outlet for the restlessness.

Similar to others I have seen here, I am also a lawyer, also speak some languages, and am also in my 30's. I've been interested in the Navy for as long as I can remember, but have only recently found myself in a position to apply. From what I have read above, you all look like quite the qualified bunch, and I will naively hold out hope that the expansion of the military under the current budget will afford a slot for as many of us as possible... which I hope will include me!

 

[vancii]

Hi all, Newbie here just checking in on this thread. This will be first board to evaluate my app, and I feel a little like a kid waiting to get those college envelopes again, so I'm hoping this forum will offer some outlet for the restlessness.

Similar to others I have seen here, I am also a lawyer, also speak some languages, and am also in my 30's. I've been interested in the Navy for as long as I can remember, but have only recently found myself in a position to apply. From what I have read above, you all look like quite the qualified bunch, and I will naively hold out hope that the expansion of the military under the current budget will afford a slot for as many of us as possible... which I hope will include me!

Welcome

 

[wakefijw]

Looks like this board only had 115 packages submitted total. It could mean less people applied then usual but it could also mean the new PA's cut out a lot of people who might have applied in the past but are now ineligible due to GPA or OAR. Good luck to everyone!

 

[vancii]

Looks like this board only had 115 packages submitted total. It could mean less people applied then usual but it could also mean the new PA's cut out a lot of people who might have applied in the past but are now ineligible due to GPA or OAR. Good luck to everyone!

Only 7 days left for the board to convene. Thank you for this information.

 

[SirDataDetective]

Looks like this board only had 115 packages submitted total. It could mean less people applied then usual but it could also mean the new PA's cut out a lot of people who might have applied in the past but are now ineligible due to GPA or OAR. Good luck to everyone!

This information might be somewhere else on this forum, but what is the usual number of packages submitted for this rating, and when were the new thresholds applied?

 

[wakefijw]

This information might be somewhere else on this forum, but what is the usual number of packages submitted for this rating, and when were the new thresholds applied?

The new PA requirements are on the first page, I think they went into effect in May. As for number of application, I remember seeing stats from 2016 that said there were 250+ total applications, not sure how many there were recently.

 

[PCORTEZ4]

First time applying. After months, my medical waiver was approved on the 21st of August (I know, 11 days after deadline). I was told by Mr. Paul Celestin at N36 that I should still be considered for the board, however I haven’t heard anything confirming it. Can any fleet applicants confirm whether I should be seeing an application confirmation in BOL under “Advancements/Selection Boards”? I know this is the case for LDO applicants, but never heard of it for OCS applicants (though I never had a reason to inquire). My package isn’t that strong, OAR: 52 / GPA: 3.692 BS Poli Sci. I do have an interview appraisal from an O5 Aviator (all 10s) and an O3 Intel-O (Junior Intelligence Officer of the Year - all 10s). Still have to cross the hurdle of figuring out whether my package even makes it to the board on Tuesday. Any advice is appreciated.

Very Respectfully,
MA1(FMF)

 

[vancii]

Good luck to all applicants today

 

[KeroK]

Previously I had heard that all earned credits, undergrad and grad, would be calculated together to determine cumulative GPA. However, the latest Intel and CW PA's I've seen state that a cumulative undergrad GPA of x.x or greater is required, which seems to indicate that grad school credits cannot be used to shore up undergrad GPA.

This makes me wonder if the rule on what counts as undergrad credit has shifted as well. Would they still count grades from standalone undergrad courses taken after college graduation, or must they be part of a completed degree?

 

[wakefijw]

Previously I had heard that all earned credits, undergrad and grad, would be calculated together to determine cumulative GPA. However, the latest Intel and CW PA's I've seen state that a cumulative undergrad GPA of x.x or greater is required, which seems to indicate that grad school credits cannot be used to shore up undergrad GPA.

This makes me wonder if the rule on what counts as undergrad credit has shifted as well. Would they still count grades from standalone undergrad courses taken after college graduation, or must they be part of a completed degree?

I wonder this too, because the Intel PA specifically says that a 3.0 in a Master's Degree trumps an undergrad degree below 3.0. Not really sure how they come up with a GPA. I would assume they would just display the different degrees and the GPA since it seems kind of ridiculous to weigh some throwaway 3 credit elective the same as a graduate level engineering class, but who knows how they do it. One thing I've noticed is the enlisted side loves the "i've turned my life around" angle while I'm still paying the piper for getting that C in American Politics in 2003 with this officer package!

 

[drmikuls88]

I wonder this too, because the Intel PA specifically says that a 3.0 in a Master's Degree trumps an undergrad degree below 3.0. Not really sure how they come up with a GPA. I would assume they would just display the different degrees and the GPA since it seems kind of ridiculous to weigh some throwaway 3 credit elective the same as a graduate level engineering class, but who knows how they do it. One thing I've noticed is the enlisted side loves the "i've turned my life around" angle while I'm still paying the piper for getting that C in American Politics in 2003 with this officer package!

It all seems to be a bit convoluted because I had a 2.8 undergraduate GPA and a 3.5 graduate GPA. I had to submit a GPA waiver that was approved through NRD Chicago CO and up to some O7 somewhere along the line.

 

[rod1982]

It all seems to be a bit convoluted because I had a 2.8 undergraduate GPA and a 3.5 graduate GPA. I had to submit a GPA waiver that was approved through NRD Chicago CO and up to some O7 somewhere along the line.

I was told by my OR that they do what the PA says: if it says masters supersedes undergrad masters will count to qualify you. They still combine your undergrad and graduate degree to determine your GPA and you get boarded as such; your masters qualified you but they still consider the undergrad GPA so it still hurts you in a sense basically hunting you. They end up having an average of your grad and undergrad but the masters made you eligible for submission. I hope that makes sense.

 

[KeroK]

I was told by my OR that they do what the PA says: if it says masters supersedes undergrad masters will count to qualify you. They still combine your undergrad and graduate degree to determine your GPA and you get boarded as such; your masters qualified you but they still consider the undergrad GPA so it still hurts you in a sense basically hunting you. They end up having an average of your grad and undergrad but the masters made you eligible for submission. I hope that makes sense.

To make sure I'm understanding this correctly: 'Graduate GPA of 3.0+ from a conferred degree supersedes a lower undergrad GPA' doesn't mean that the numerical value of the former will replace the numerical value of the latter, but rather that it will simply make you eligible for Intel. The actual GPA value the board evaluates is the average of the two?

So if you have graduate-level credits, but haven't completed the degree yet, do they count for nothing when determining eligibility (i.e. won't bring up a below-minimum undergrad GPA)? If that's the case, it would seem a bit uneven if standalone undergrad credits earned after completing a bachelor's are counted in and can be used to reach the minimum required GPA. (And I say this as someone who is using that method to qualify.) I suppose, however, that they are still technically "undergrad".

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

To make sure I'm understanding this correctly: 'Graduate GPA of 3.0+ from a conferred degree supersedes a lower undergrad GPA' doesn't mean that the numerical value of the former will replace the numerical value of the latter, but rather that it will simply make you eligible for Intel. The actual GPA value the board evaluates is the average of the two?

So if you have graduate-level credits, but haven't completed the degree yet, do they count for nothing when determining eligibility (i.e. won't bring up a below-minimum undergrad GPA)? If that's the case, it would seem a bit uneven if standalone undergrad credits earned after completing a bachelor's are counted in and can be used to reach the minimum required GPA. (And I say this as someone who is using that method to qualify.) I suppose, however, that they are still technically "undergrad".

If you are having to rely on a graduate GPA to make yourself eligible for Intel, then I have some bad news for you...

These boards are already competitive enough as is with individuals with high UG GPAs.

 

[KeroK]

If you are having to rely on a graduate GPA to make yourself eligible for Intel, then I have some bad news for you...

These boards are already competitive enough as is with individuals with high UG GPAs.

Thank you. Respectfully, I didn't put up the last post to ask for opinions on competitiveness. I'm simply curious about the underlying system used to calculate GPA for OCS boards. And I am not using graduate GPA -- I've haven't taken a single graduate course in my life. My parenthesized statement about "using that method" comes after my sentence about additional undergrad courses.