Ok, I am on my second round of applications, I was told I got a no the first time around (although I still have not received a letter and I have heard that you are supposed to receive a letter). I turned in my application yesterday to have resubmitted (found out my "no" in mid-late June I think it was) and I was just called by my recruiter this morning with him saying that I cannot reapply for the same designator (Intel) within 6 months of my last application. Does ANYBODY know if this is a new rule or if this is really the case? From what I have heard and read and seen, people are reapplying as soon as they can from the last application when they find out a "no". If anyone can help me on this I would greatly appreciate it.
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6 months between app's?
- Thread starter Rusty
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Why do you think your recruiter would inhibit your reapplication? He obviously thought you were a worthy applicant the first time around. Do you think he doesn't know his job. Or maybe you just think that a bunch of guys on the internet with no training in the subject know his job better.
Hey, glad you are eager to reapply, Just give your recruiter a break. His job is to put people in the Navy. He is evaluated on how well he does so. He will do everything possible to get you in the Navy, as soon as possible. There is nothing new about the six month wait. That has been the rule since I first was assigned a recruiting job in the mid '80s. If guys have mentioned on this site that they are reapplying "as soon as they can" that would mean after a six month wait. That is as soon as they can!! Some times a recruiter or processor will take a reapplication a little early and just hold it until the six months passes then resubmit automaticly. As an aside, the board usually wants to see an improvement or some kind of change or the last application. If you are simply wanting to resubmit the same package the same week you have heard of a non-select then you are likely wasting your time. Take the six months to update your app with anything that can help. New grades, longer employment, promotions, some additional LORs, etc. If nothing else, in the 6 months that pass things may open up a bit and you will make it even with the same app. Good Luck.
Hey, glad you are eager to reapply, Just give your recruiter a break. His job is to put people in the Navy. He is evaluated on how well he does so. He will do everything possible to get you in the Navy, as soon as possible. There is nothing new about the six month wait. That has been the rule since I first was assigned a recruiting job in the mid '80s. If guys have mentioned on this site that they are reapplying "as soon as they can" that would mean after a six month wait. That is as soon as they can!! Some times a recruiter or processor will take a reapplication a little early and just hold it until the six months passes then resubmit automaticly. As an aside, the board usually wants to see an improvement or some kind of change or the last application. If you are simply wanting to resubmit the same package the same week you have heard of a non-select then you are likely wasting your time. Take the six months to update your app with anything that can help. New grades, longer employment, promotions, some additional LORs, etc. If nothing else, in the 6 months that pass things may open up a bit and you will make it even with the same app. Good Luck.
First off Wink, I don't appreciate the attitude in return, I was asking simple questions and wasn't asking them just to "a bunch of guys on the internet with no training in the subject". I know that there are current recruiters and ones that used to be recruiters on here; I also know that there are other people that have had to reapply on here. Since this is my first time reapplying, I wanted some input because I have not heard this before. The only 6 month wait I have heard of is if you want to retake the ASTB the 3rd time (after waiting 30 days to take it the second time). I understand your position, having been a recruiter it appears, but just because this guy is in the Navy and is a recruiter, doesn't mean that he is going to do his job the way he should, especially when he is fairly new to it. I am not slamming my recruiter, I hope he is doing his job well and should assume he is. But we are all human, and just because he is in the Navy it does not excuse him from that. There are people in the private sector that don't do their job correctly and there can be a "rare" occurrence in the Navy too, again not that I am saying he is doing that. So please understand I am not taking aim at recruiters, which it sounds like you are defending, I just want to be sure because I do want this and am eager to reapply. Especially knowing that my recruiter never said a word about the six month thing (and it has been almost 2 months since I heard my “no”) over this whole time, until he calls me today (after I give him the stuff yesterday, which I have been trying to get to him for a week and a half or so) saying this about the six month wait. Why did he not tell me that in the beginning when he knew I was putting my application back together to reapply, or when I have been asking him when I could get with him to give him my application for resubmission? So please understand where I am coming from. Also, look at this thread Bad News like everyone else it seems and read ghost_ttu’s response.
All I want is to make sure that the six month wait is legit and that the same thing has happened to others or that another recruiter can verify it. Also I want to know when that six month wait starts from. Is it six months from when you hear the “no”, is it six months from when you first applied, etc?
And also, just so you know, I have been working on beefing up my application ever since I turned in my first time. I knew that I needed to do that (which I found out from reading these boards and USNavyOCS.com), and my recruiter did tell me I needed to update my app.
I appreciate your help, but please don't be so quick to snap at me and assume I am slamming my recruiter, he's a nice guy, I just know he is new to his job and want to make sure of the new news I just heard.
And also, since I have your attention, could you answer this for me as well. Am I supposed to receive a letter saying I was non-select? Because I have not received one and like I said it has been almost 2 months since I heard from my recruiter that I got a "no". Thank you for your help and I appreciate your input.
All I want is to make sure that the six month wait is legit and that the same thing has happened to others or that another recruiter can verify it. Also I want to know when that six month wait starts from. Is it six months from when you hear the “no”, is it six months from when you first applied, etc?
And also, just so you know, I have been working on beefing up my application ever since I turned in my first time. I knew that I needed to do that (which I found out from reading these boards and USNavyOCS.com), and my recruiter did tell me I needed to update my app.
I appreciate your help, but please don't be so quick to snap at me and assume I am slamming my recruiter, he's a nice guy, I just know he is new to his job and want to make sure of the new news I just heard.
And also, since I have your attention, could you answer this for me as well. Am I supposed to receive a letter saying I was non-select? Because I have not received one and like I said it has been almost 2 months since I heard from my recruiter that I got a "no". Thank you for your help and I appreciate your input.
True recruiters make mistakes and are not perfect. But I am absolutely certain that the info you get from a recruiter is correct far more often then anything you will get from the well intended folks on Airwarriors. If four guys wrote on this forum that it was a two month wait would you have thought your recruiter incompetent? I hope not.
Yes, you should get a letter. They do take awhile, but I expect you should have gotten something by now. Remember, they send out a whole lot more rejection letters then select letters. The recruiter also gets a computer message. He could always give you a print out of that if there is any question about the offical dates. Good Luck.
Yes, you should get a letter. They do take awhile, but I expect you should have gotten something by now. Remember, they send out a whole lot more rejection letters then select letters. The recruiter also gets a computer message. He could always give you a print out of that if there is any question about the offical dates. Good Luck.
navyluvngirl
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Rusty - I know that my boyfriend did not have to wait 6 months to reapply for SNA. He reapplied right after he found out he wasn't selected.
The policy is six months. There have been times when a program was closed, and then reopened, and recent non-selects were invited to reapply. In the last year or so in, I believe, NFO, the quota jumped up over night. In order to catch up, so to speak, recruiters were asked to resubmit recent non-selects immediately for reconsideration rather than take several weeks to work a new applicant to the point they could submit a new package. In some cases recuiters did so without the knowledge of the applicant. The applicant then gets a call from his recuiter two weeks after non-select saying "changed our minds, want a job?". Stuff goes on you guys just don't know about.
IT1toOfficer
Class 0606!!! New Ensigns!!! (as of Jan27th)
You don’t have to wait 6 months. You apply if they say no, then you submit a reconsideration. If they say “no” again then you wait 6 months and try again. I know 3 people that put reconsiderations in after a few weeks and were picked up.
Now 2 of these people were military and I’m not sure if the third was or not. But the rule that I was told my CNRC themselves was that once you find out you didn’t make it, you put reconsideration in and then if they say no again you wait 6 months and reapply.
I asked CNRC because I was rejected from one community and wasn’t sure if I’d make the other. I made it. Thank god, but I wanted to know the facts and this is what they told me. But hey maybe the people that conduct the boards, put the packages together and say yes and no are wrong.
Rusty!! Call CNRC and talk to them. They’ll help you.
IT1 soon to be ENS
Now 2 of these people were military and I’m not sure if the third was or not. But the rule that I was told my CNRC themselves was that once you find out you didn’t make it, you put reconsideration in and then if they say no again you wait 6 months and reapply.
I asked CNRC because I was rejected from one community and wasn’t sure if I’d make the other. I made it. Thank god, but I wanted to know the facts and this is what they told me. But hey maybe the people that conduct the boards, put the packages together and say yes and no are wrong.
Rusty!! Call CNRC and talk to them. They’ll help you.
IT1 soon to be ENS
Thank you all for your info.
IT1, how do I contact CNRC? Can you tell me their number (pm or email me) and who I should talk to.
I know wink sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but the more people I talk to, the more feedback I get that there is no 6 month wait. The only two that say there is a wait are you Wink and my recruiter. I have spoken with a friend of mine who is in the Navy (was a recruiter just last year before he went on to his intel training in Virginia) and he doesn't remember there being any 6 month wait. And I have heard many a people and seen several threads where people resubmit within weeks. So confusing, but one thing I know from all the people I have spoken with about the Navy, you NEVER take one or even two people's word for it, you find out from many sources what really is the case with whatever you want to know. Anyway, thank you all, and I really hope this 6 month wait thing is not true, I don't see the point of it if it is, especially if I have added a good amount to beef up my app. (i.e. several major volunteer positions, some new LOR's - one from a congress person, revamped my resume, joined some more professional clubs, ran a competetive 5k and 10k, etc. over past 4 or 5 months since I first submitted). I don't think I need to retake the ASTB since I got a 60 on the OAR. Otherwise, I don't find it worth going back to school to raise my GPA any more, don't have the money for that.
Thanks again, and any more info is always appreciated.
IT1, how do I contact CNRC? Can you tell me their number (pm or email me) and who I should talk to.
I know wink sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but the more people I talk to, the more feedback I get that there is no 6 month wait. The only two that say there is a wait are you Wink and my recruiter. I have spoken with a friend of mine who is in the Navy (was a recruiter just last year before he went on to his intel training in Virginia) and he doesn't remember there being any 6 month wait. And I have heard many a people and seen several threads where people resubmit within weeks. So confusing, but one thing I know from all the people I have spoken with about the Navy, you NEVER take one or even two people's word for it, you find out from many sources what really is the case with whatever you want to know. Anyway, thank you all, and I really hope this 6 month wait thing is not true, I don't see the point of it if it is, especially if I have added a good amount to beef up my app. (i.e. several major volunteer positions, some new LOR's - one from a congress person, revamped my resume, joined some more professional clubs, ran a competetive 5k and 10k, etc. over past 4 or 5 months since I first submitted). I don't think I need to retake the ASTB since I got a 60 on the OAR. Otherwise, I don't find it worth going back to school to raise my GPA any more, don't have the money for that.
Thanks again, and any more info is always appreciated.
I don't ever recall sending in a "reconsideration" in all my years associated with recruiting. It may, in fact be, an enlisted thing only. If there is such a thing then I expect there is no application to resubmit, they just look at your rejected app again. Can't imagine what the chances are for reconsideration of the same app a week or so after rejection unless something changed on the CNRC side, like a program reopenning or an increase in quotas. See above post. I assume we are know all on board with the 6 month "reapplication" wait. I will be curious to find out about this "reconsideration" option. Never heard of it.
IT1toOfficer
Class 0606!!! New Ensigns!!! (as of Jan27th)
Wink, Rusty,
I found out that it is an enlisted thing only and that for Civilians they have to wait 6 months.
Sorry Rusty..
IT1
I found out that it is an enlisted thing only and that for Civilians they have to wait 6 months.
Sorry Rusty..
IT1
040408. RECONSIDERATION REQUESTS
a. Any officer program applicant who has been non-selected may request reconsideration of their application by submitting such request in writing to COMNAVCRUITCOM (N36).
b. If the request for reconsideration is submitted within six months of official notification of non-selection, the following information must be included:
(1) A new Application Processing and Summary Record (NAVCRUIT 1131/1), with the “Reconsideration” block marked appropriately.
(2) Applicant’s request for reconsideration, including a letter from the applicant stating the reason he/she should be reconsidered for selection. The reconsideration letter must be signed and dated by the applicant.
(3) Any new or updated information including, but not limited to transcripts, interviews and references.
(4) The field OPL/OP shall make changes to the original PORT record using the CNGREC program. A PORT Action Request (NAVCRUIT 1131/46) shall be completed by the field OPL/OP and forwarded to COMNAVCRUITCOM (N36) when requesting any changes in designator, recruiter’s SSN, FY, etc.
c. Applications will not be reconsidered for the same program within six (6) months of non-selection unless new information is submitted that indicates the applicant is better qualified than when previously non-selected or unless changes occur within the requested program’s status (i.e., requested program was previously closed and re-opens).
d. If more than six months have elapsed since official notification of non-selection, a new application will be submitted via the ADDOCS process.
"Rusty", What is your new information or better qualifications?
Crickets
a. Any officer program applicant who has been non-selected may request reconsideration of their application by submitting such request in writing to COMNAVCRUITCOM (N36).
b. If the request for reconsideration is submitted within six months of official notification of non-selection, the following information must be included:
(1) A new Application Processing and Summary Record (NAVCRUIT 1131/1), with the “Reconsideration” block marked appropriately.
(2) Applicant’s request for reconsideration, including a letter from the applicant stating the reason he/she should be reconsidered for selection. The reconsideration letter must be signed and dated by the applicant.
(3) Any new or updated information including, but not limited to transcripts, interviews and references.
(4) The field OPL/OP shall make changes to the original PORT record using the CNGREC program. A PORT Action Request (NAVCRUIT 1131/46) shall be completed by the field OPL/OP and forwarded to COMNAVCRUITCOM (N36) when requesting any changes in designator, recruiter’s SSN, FY, etc.
c. Applications will not be reconsidered for the same program within six (6) months of non-selection unless new information is submitted that indicates the applicant is better qualified than when previously non-selected or unless changes occur within the requested program’s status (i.e., requested program was previously closed and re-opens).
d. If more than six months have elapsed since official notification of non-selection, a new application will be submitted via the ADDOCS process.
"Rusty", What is your new information or better qualifications?
Crickets
BTW IT1,
Encouraging someone to start breaking the chain of command before they are even in the Navy is not my idea of a good start. CNRC does not want to get called by every applicant that does not get selected. Heck they do not even want to get called by the recruiters about that.
Calling CNRC is BUM GOUGE!
El T
Encouraging someone to start breaking the chain of command before they are even in the Navy is not my idea of a good start. CNRC does not want to get called by every applicant that does not get selected. Heck they do not even want to get called by the recruiters about that.
Calling CNRC is BUM GOUGE!
El T