RockyMtn, according to this, if I were to be turned down a few weeks before the end of an academic term, and then my grades came back and my cume GPA went up, that would be grounds for an early resubmission request? Or, for that matter, any noteworthy addition to the package. It's just that to me those rules seem quite open to interpretation...
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6 months between app's?
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mkoch said:
Absolutely, you should re-appply if your grades are that much better. yes it is open to interpretation, mainly because the Navy is made up of capable thinking people who make good decisions; that decision may be a "NO", but they are at least giving room for performers to show them that they are capable. Just don't think that going from a 2.8 to a 2.9 is going to get you anything other than some rolled eyeballs.
Is there by any chance confusion here between professional recommendation vice non-selection? I mean, isn't it possible to reapply for a pro-rec fairly soon after a rejection for the same? Selection/Non-selection would come after the pro-rec, right? Maybe it would be better if Rusty explains which stage he is at.
I agree with mkoch.
RockyMtn, first off I am glad to see you on here again, it has been a long time since I have heard from you.
Second, what kind of changes apply to part 4c. Like I said above "i.e. several major volunteer positions, some new LOR's - one from a congress person, revamped my resume, joined some more professional clubs, ran a competitive 5k and 10k, etc. over past 4 or 5 months since I first submitted". More specific for the volunteer positions, I was a Team Captain as well as on the Logistics Committee for a brand new Relay For Life event for the American Cancer Society in East Boulder County (the event just happened last weekend and went wonderfully, money-wise we blew our goals out of the water - Team goal was originally $1000 and we raised over $2000, Relay overall goal was $30,000 and we raised over $40,000). That is just one of the specifics on things I have done over the past 5 months or so to better myself and change my application. If this is not qualifying, in addition to the letter of reconsideration, which I already wrote and turned into my recruiter with the rest of the package, then I don't know if I understand what else could be changed. Besides maybe like mkoch said about GPA while still in school, or maybe retaking the ASTB (which if I did I would risk lowering my already decent score), or something else major that would happen in a small amount of time as six months is.
I appreciate all your responses, thank you all. I appreciate you coming back on to give some input on here RockyMtn. Any clarification or thoughts on if I qualify to resubmit or not would be great. It honestly sounds like it is fairly open to interpretation on what makes one "more qualified" that would be any different with another 6 (or 4 from now) months. Ok, enough of me rambling...
Edit: Oh, and Sirenia, I am only at the Pro-rec stage, trying to get a pro-rec from the Intel board. I have only just started!
RockyMtn, first off I am glad to see you on here again, it has been a long time since I have heard from you.
Second, what kind of changes apply to part 4c. Like I said above "i.e. several major volunteer positions, some new LOR's - one from a congress person, revamped my resume, joined some more professional clubs, ran a competitive 5k and 10k, etc. over past 4 or 5 months since I first submitted". More specific for the volunteer positions, I was a Team Captain as well as on the Logistics Committee for a brand new Relay For Life event for the American Cancer Society in East Boulder County (the event just happened last weekend and went wonderfully, money-wise we blew our goals out of the water - Team goal was originally $1000 and we raised over $2000, Relay overall goal was $30,000 and we raised over $40,000). That is just one of the specifics on things I have done over the past 5 months or so to better myself and change my application. If this is not qualifying, in addition to the letter of reconsideration, which I already wrote and turned into my recruiter with the rest of the package, then I don't know if I understand what else could be changed. Besides maybe like mkoch said about GPA while still in school, or maybe retaking the ASTB (which if I did I would risk lowering my already decent score), or something else major that would happen in a small amount of time as six months is.
I appreciate all your responses, thank you all. I appreciate you coming back on to give some input on here RockyMtn. Any clarification or thoughts on if I qualify to resubmit or not would be great. It honestly sounds like it is fairly open to interpretation on what makes one "more qualified" that would be any different with another 6 (or 4 from now) months. Ok, enough of me rambling...
Edit: Oh, and Sirenia, I am only at the Pro-rec stage, trying to get a pro-rec from the Intel board. I have only just started!
sirenia said:
A PROREC is not a statement of approval, it is a recommendation. That recommendation can be "yes" or "no". Yes, selection/non-selection comes after PROREC. A PROREC yes gets you send to the selection board for final judgement. A PROREC no (assuming no for all applied designators) mandates an automatic non-selection.
From http://www.cnrc.navy.mil/noru/orojt/processing.htm#6
Rusty said:
IT1toOfficer
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How is it jumping chain of command when he's not part of it.. he's not in the Navy, so he could do whatever he wants.
Now if he doesnt feel his recruiter is giving him the help the he needs or giving him the right info, he has the RIGHT to go to the source.
Do I use my CCC.. NO! Why?? Well its because he doen't no anything about OCS, like he should and he wont help get it. So I went to the source and got help. Thats why I'm selected because I decided to go get help on my own.
It's just your opinion that its bad to tell someone... I feel that its my duty to help someone get the right info. Like we learn in the Navy, if you go up the chain and someone is not giving you the right info or you dont like what they have to say you can go over them. But like I said... He's a civilian
IT1
Now if he doesnt feel his recruiter is giving him the help the he needs or giving him the right info, he has the RIGHT to go to the source.
Do I use my CCC.. NO! Why?? Well its because he doen't no anything about OCS, like he should and he wont help get it. So I went to the source and got help. Thats why I'm selected because I decided to go get help on my own.
It's just your opinion that its bad to tell someone... I feel that its my duty to help someone get the right info. Like we learn in the Navy, if you go up the chain and someone is not giving you the right info or you dont like what they have to say you can go over them. But like I said... He's a civilian
IT1
IT1toOfficer said:
There are atleast three other individuals (processor, OPO and XO, in that order)an applicant can go to before calling CNRC. It would be wise to check with those people first. If you sat at codeXX CNRC you wouldn't want to answer dozens of calls a day about an issue properly delt with at a much lower level. It doesn't matter whether you are in the Navy or not. It is a common courtsey. You guys that complain about how long it takes to hear about a ProRec or get an acceptance letter ought to consider how much time the CNRC folks spend fielding calls like IT1 suggests. I am sure any problem a motivated applicant has is a big problem to him. But I don't care who you are, civilian or military, the Navy owes you nothing. It is bigger then you, and most folks that work for the Navy, civilian and military, have better things to do then answer questions for people that can get them just as well at a lower level. There may be times when a quick call to CNRC is the only avenue left. This is not one of those cases. They are few and far between for applicants to OCS.
All that said. I never did submit someone for reconsideration before 6 months. Glad Rocky settled this. If someone can swing a reconsideration, go for it.
What is unclear? If you can improve the looks of your app, and it appears you can, then call it whatever you want, you can resubmit. If someone can not make an improvement on his app then the recruiter should hold it until 6 months has passed and call it a reapplication. If CNRC has unexpected opennings or a program reopens, and CNRC opens the gates, all bets are off and send it back to them asap. Rocky even gave you the reference. Any questions, have the office look it up for themselves.
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wink said:
No, he first applied for SNA and then reapplied shortly after for it again. No slots available. So he decided to go SNFO.
The reconsideration/six month wait appears to be settle. I have to go on the record though to take my hit for bad gouge. The reconsideration procedure was implimented nearly five years ago. That is fairly recent for an old salty guy like me. But I have been supporting an NRD in officer programs for nearly that long. It simply never came up when I happened to be around (not too frequently, as a Reservist), so I relied on my previous knowledge. I got the brief today. They emphasized the six month wait for full resubmission, but schooled me on reconsideration after an improvemnet in the app.