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HeyJoe

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gatordev said:
@heyjoe:

As bad as all that sounds, I was reminded of those guys flying off the carrier in B-25s. No catapault to time the launch, no ejection seats, and fully loaded to the gills with fuel. Talk about balls. There's some footage of one of them taking off, and I swear the wave swallows the plane for a few seconds, then out it pops. I'm sure you've probably seen it.

Yep, That's one reason why Doolittle got the Congressional Medal of Honor. They ran into a Japenese picket and launched well before they wanted to with full knowledge that they most likely wouldn't get to their destination. Everyone of them had to bail out, ditch or forceland except the one crew that elected to fly to Soviet Union.

I did see the film...same concept, they just timed the takeoff roll to the bow movement. There's a similar PLAT tape of a deck launched S-2 that flies right into a huge wall of water at the bow as it hits lowest point. As bow rises and water dissipates, there is no airplane in sight. Then as bow falls again you see it in ground effect struggled to maintain flying speed and claw for altitude. Can only imagine what it was like for the crew, but they made it.
 

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Well, since this thread has turned into sea stories, here's another... We launched on a SAR to pick up some shoes. Weather and seas crappy. After all the fun stuff was done and everyone picked up, we had to land back on the frigate and dusk was approaching. As we were overhead at about 1000 feet, I was looking down at the ship. The LSO was saying things looked pretty stable for the last minute or so, and even though the winds were from the stern, he thought we could get in w/ the rolls in limits. Just as he unkeyed the mic, I see the ship take a huge roll to the left (at least 15 degrees, limit is 8 for day w/ those winds). I yell over the radio, "Ooooohhhhhhhh!" just because it looked cool. He then came back on the radio in a subdued voice, "Yeah, we're turning now, I'll try and get you a better deck." I think we ended up landing w/ the deck right at 6-8 degrees.
 

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heyjoe said:
I did see the film...same concept, they just timed the takeoff roll to the bow movement. There's a similar PLAT tape of a deck launched S-2 that flies right into a huge wall of water at the bow as it hits lowest point. As bow rises and water dissipates, there is no airplane in sight. Then as bow falls again you see it in ground effect struggled to maintain flying speed and claw for altitude. Can only imagine what it was like for the crew, but they made it.

We had a LCDR NFO teaching AJOLT (the predecessor to BOLTC or whatever they call sensitivity triaining today) right before we did API who said he was the AW (he was a prior E) on the S-2 that launched off the boat right behind the one in the film. It was a flight to home base and he said theplane that went trhough the wall of water did not get above 500 feet the whole flight home because of all the water in the plane. When they opened the hatches after landing at home base a bunch of water poured out, dead fish included. He pointed out that no airplane in the US Navy inventory today would have kept flying, the water would have conked out the turboprops on a E-2/C-2. The S-2 had the ol' radial engines though and kept flying. HE said it was the only time he did not want to fly off the boat to go home......:D

Now, I believed him at the time but I was a fresh young Ensign ready to believe anything. Still seems like a plausible story though.....
 

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Flash said:
We had a LCDR NFO teaching AJOLT (the predecessor to BOLTC or whatever they call sensitivity triaining today) right before we did API who said he was the AW (he was a prior E) on the S-2 that launched off the boat right behind the one in the film. It was a flight to home base and he said theplane that went trhough the wall of water did not get above 500 feet the whole flight home because of all the water in the plane. When they opened the hatches after landing at home base a bunch of water poured out, dead fish included. He pointed out that no airplane in the US Navy inventory today would have kept flying, the water would have conked out the turboprops on a E-2/C-2. The S-2 had the ol' radial engines though and kept flying. HE said it was the only time he did not want to fly off the boat to go home......:D

Now, I believed him at the time but I was a fresh young Ensign ready to believe anything. Still seems like a plausible story though.....


At Tailhook 88, we made a "Crash and Bash" tape made up of all the "Best of" PLAT footage with this one in the middle of it. We showed in our Safety Center Booth next to the fancy industry "palaces". We always had a crowd bigger than any of them and that specific incident never ceased to get the biggest gasps and cheers. One gent said he knew the guy and the story he related is pretty much the same as yours.
 

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That's gotta be scary as all hell...

But those kinda events tend to make some of the best stories.
 

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Flash said:
WeThe S-2 had the ol' radial engines though and kept flying.

Those old radials were tough as nails. Lots of stories of WWII fighter aircraft getting whole pistons shot off and still flying.
 

lucian_boy

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i have a question, how do the pilot navigate the aircraft when it in the air which aircraft that do not have radar like the T-35.
 

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valion_pride said:
i have a question, how do the pilot navigate the aircraft when it in the air which aircraft that do not have radar like the T-35.

Dude, what?
 

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valion_pride said:
i have a question, how do the pilot navigate the aircraft when it in the air which aircraft that do not have radar like the T-35.


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I am AME3(AW) Tison station with the Mighty Valion VFA-15 now now on our Persian Gulf cruise. am from the caribbean and i have always wanted to be a pilot but did not had the chance to until i got my green card and joined the navy. now am going to take advantage of every opportuniy i get. and i just want to say TOMCATS SUCK HORNETS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!




Okay...great intro.....welcome to the board.

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valion-pride said:
i took a flight in a t-34 in fallon and i puked and i was also scared because it was my first flight in a non commercail flight. the pilot told me to be calm and i tried but i was scared but it was also fun and exciting cause i got to see bomds drop. i was wonder is being scared a normal feeling or is it a sign that this is not for you.

Go with your first instinct - not for you.

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Gatordev,
Not quite the same as being away from mom, but doing the 1300 mile island hopping leg with a broken HF wire made it interesting. We weren't TOTALLY out of comms, since we could dial a guy's wife up on the sat phone. Coming from the beach, we don't always have comms with mom before losing comms with the beach. Hence a good reason to keep updating Point of No Return or Bingo numbers.
 

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That's not the first COD "flight to nowhere" story I've heard. You guys definitely fly the "I think it's out here" missions. My LPO on my last det was a former COD crewman, and told me a story about going out to the carrier for a medevac. Weather was crap, the ship wasn't where it was supposed to be, and they took off knowing they didn't really have a bingo. He said they had gas for one trap and the pilots had him come sit up in the cockpit with them and act as a third copilot. Guess they earned their pay that day.
 

HeyJoe

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Sometimes it a good thing to be out of radio contact

In 1985, I flew a TARPS mission to surprise a Kynda class cruiser as she transited the English Channel. At the time USS America was operating in the North Sea northwest of Ireland. We had been running deception games ever since leaving Norfolk and shaking our Tattletail, the state of the art Balzam class dedicated AGI. We had Ike sortie with us and then do a high speed run at night swap places and lights with us and then outrun the Balzam. We sent a deception group anchored by a battleship straight to the west side of the GIUK gap radiating all our comms and we ran the cordon of subs and surface ships in high seas at night and we operating freely northwest of Ireland undetected. NATO was looking for us as well as part of the upcoming exercise and the British press was claiming big decks were a thing of the past after the Falklands so they chartered a helo flown by former RN types who said they'd find us. Nobody did as we had been in total EMCON the entire time and stayed that way. We had embarked our SECNAV John Lehman and our fleet commander, VADM Mustin who wanted to prove big decks were the way to go so they were more than willing to take on both the Soviets and NATO to prove it. So Tomcats launched in EMCON and stayed low so as to not give away the carrier's position, but showed up everywhere.

When the info came in on the Kynda, the admiral decided to make a long range strike to show how we could reach out and touch her, but how powerless they were to respond (if they could find us). We launched in our TARPS jet with a division of A-7 Corsairs with HARM (first deployment of this capability so they were eager to see how it did with the real world threat) and A-6 tankers along with an EA-6B and an EA-3B to home in on any electronic emissions. Most of the other squadrons had fairly senior guys onboard eager to show their stuff so we were along for the ride. We decided to transit from the North Sea to Channel between Ireland and Great Britain to avoid having to talk to anyone and thereby alert NATO or the Soviets to our presence. The Channel was over 600 miles away so we were out of radio contact with the E-2 and the ship (listening to us that is) for most of the mission. As we got close to the channel, we started losing our "escorts" that were there to provide ELINT. The Kynda and her escort were also in EMCON so they waited until they were bingo and kissed us off one by one. It had been several hours since we launched so our position data was cold. We only knew she was transiting from east to west at last report. We didn't have enough gas to search the whole English Channel and as we got close, we found it to be cloaked in a pea soup. With SECNAV and the admiral waiting back "at the ranch" we figured it would be worth hanging it out a little. I had built a fuel ladder to be back at the ship at expected recovery time, another to simply get back and another to get us to an RAF base in Scotland reasoning that if we got the pictures, we'd be forgiven for being late. If we didn't, we'd be bums. I plotted the most western position possible for the Kynda and turned on the pulse radar mode. I had never seen so many contacts in my life on the surface. I figured they must be fishing boats of some kind and they were going to make this difficult if not impossible. They were everywhere. We discussed what to do and decided to descend to be able to see what the contacts were. This didn't help the gas situation and quickly eliminated the possibility to be back on time. We were out of radio contact with everyone now so we were truly on our own and all we saw were white fishing trawlers everywhere. Fine tuning my search, I tried to discern larger contacts that might appear to be in a naval formation. it appeared that several were up ahead in the center of the channel, which mad sense so we elected to head that way. The first few were not naval vessels, just larger merchantmen. We were now getting to point of second option and I considered helping our fuel situation by flying straight to the ship over Great Britain and used the INS to figure out that option. They said not to do it on the way down, but nothing was said on the way back and I had talked to an RAF F-4 RIO who we had aboard about fueling locations and how to do exactly that just in case. So we pressed towards the last of the blobs on the radar and suddenly out of the mist loomed the huge superstructure of the Kynda looking like battlestar Galactica and bristling with weapons. All our warning gear was silent as we closed and then pass her on her port side close abeam from bow to stern running our cameras. The crew was formed up in a U shaped formation at quarters on the stern with what looked like a very senior officer giving some sort of talk...that is until we blew by. I knew now that we wouldn't have to worry about gas so as we turned to "rig" the ship from stern to bow, we swept the wings and lit the burners and pulled up right over the mast doing doing aileron rolls as we pirouetted to ten thousand feet. On this pass, they had broken ranks and were running to General Quarters so we knew we had really surprised them. Our warning gear was still ominously silent during the climb and we wondering if it really worked...until we got a lock-on from one of their tracking radars as we leveled off. That made us really laugh as it was evidence of how unprepared they were for our visit. I used the INS to head us directly towards the ship for the long trip home. It was several hours before we even tried to raise someone from the ship and ask for gas. As we transited the northwest coast of Scotland, we finally got an answer to our calls, We decided not to leave sight of land and a nearby F-4 base unless we knew a tanker was heading our way. USS America was still in hiding and expecting a major effort by NATO to find her so we didn't want to take any chances that a tanker might not be available. Right at the point of pulling out the approach plate for Lossiemouth, I heard a weak transmission from a Blue Blaster tanker trying to raise us. Huzzah! What a ship, what an airwing! They knew what we needed and were already en route with plenty of gas and a big surprise! The E-2 came up and asked our posit AND weapons status. I gave a constructive loadout based on carriage of the TARPS pod to be fair and after tanking, we got a vector. Although we expected the photos to be top priority, it turned out we were coming back alongside a stream of NATO aircraft looking for the ship and were in b3st position to intercept them. My first radar contact was an RAF Victor tanker in process of passing gas to 3 RAF Phantoms. 4 easy kills later, we got another vector and slid in behind an USAF RF-4 Phantom doing the speed of heat who never saw us slip in behind. Rather than use burner and have to ask for gas again, I locked him up on the radar and their warning gear must have been in fine shape as they immediately broke into us allowing us to neatly close to a guns solution. We then joined on them and showed them our TARPS pod as I signaled them to come up on quad 3s. They didn't want to chat much as they seemed really steamed to have been tapped so early in the game and not get anywhere near the ship as we were still over a hundred miles away. We were now "winchester" and got the RTB to the ship only to pick up another radar contact heading home, which was a Navy P-3 that the E-2 declared as a hostile entity. We used the rest of our constructive ammo on the lumbering P-3 that was some sort of RDT&E aircraft supporting the NATO folks. The trap was uneventful and after the photos were developed, SECNAV asked to meet us so we got to present him with a large blowup of the Kynda in the flag spaces that night. He was casually dressed and wearing HIS leather flight jacket that he earned in flight school, which was totally cool. All in a day's work during the cold war.
 

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Great story HeyJoe. Ahh yesss...the cold war...Operation Cocyote and such...good times...


Regarding getting lost and not finding the boat....
Had a COD that couldn't find the CVN in the NAG on our 11/2001 Stennis cruise.
The boat had changed CVOAs and the C-2 didn't know it. They circled looked around for a while in the wrong CVOA and then RTB'd to Bahrian Int'l where they called me in Air Ops..."So where are you guys anyways?"

Made for some good Fo'csle Follies cannon fodder.
 
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