AF enlisted aircrew wings and maintenance badge for OCS

[wlawr005]

I like how this discussion went from which enlisted breast devices were considered warfare qualifications to comparing SWO vs. Pilot training pipelines. WTF dudes?

This is why nobody reads AW anymore.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Calling Stearmann.... That doesn't sound right.

My understanding was that SQT was within their SEAL Team, which is the operational unit. But maybe that's changed. After SQT, and a "robust" PQS, then they get their pin...again, from the Teams.

I thought there was a "probationary" period, of course I had recruiting materials that listed the timeline and when a SEAL rec'd his pin, but I didn't keep that.

edit: found it online, SQT completion, pin on trident, then assigned to a team

 

[azguy]

I like how this discussion went from which enlisted breast devices were considered warfare qualifications to comparing SWO vs. Pilot training pipelines. WTF dudes?

This is why nobody reads AW anymore.

Seriously? You begrudge a professional discussion on a professional message board?

 

[wlawr005]

Seriously? You begrudge a professional discussion on a professional message board?

You just made me LOL...

 

[azguy]

You just made me LOL...

Do you want to answer my question like an adult...

 

[BusyBee604]

I'm not sure if that's the same in other communities, but I'd wager a guess that the days of a nugget's first mission being a combat one are behind us.

Probably so today, but back in the day, VF/VA crews were going down at such a rate, that the new arrivals from the RAG, had to be plugged immediately into the schedule. It was required to exccute the air/strike plan, without dangerously overstressing/fatigueing the rest of the Pilots. As I said before, the new inexperienced JOs came through brilliantly.

I know combat ops , and everything else is different today, that was long ago in a far away galaxy. I'm realizing now that my experiences are so dated, that I shouldn't even be posting in AW on subjects like these. No mas. Gomenasai!
BzB

 

[wlawr005]

Absolutely...you are acting like an arrogant fuck and putting out incorrect information. Plus, you seem pretty damn smug and I don't think I like you very much. Adult enough for you?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Probably so today, but back in the day, VF/VA crews were going down at such a rate, that the new arrivals from the RAG, had to be plugged immediately into the schedule. It was required to exccute the air/strike plan, without dangerously overstressing/fatigueing the rest of the Pilots. As I said before, the new inexperienced JOs came through brilliantly.

I know combat ops , and everything else is different today, that was long ago in a far away galaxy. I'm realizing now that my experiences are so dated, that I shouldn't even be posting in AW on subjects like these. No mas. Gomenasai!
BzB

I like hearing stories from back in the day, of course I was the kid in elementary school reading history books

 

[azguy]

Absolutely...you are acting like an arrogant fuck and putting out incorrect information. Plus, you seem pretty damn smug and I don't think I like you very much. Adult enough for you?

I'm not here to make friends, sweetie. But you haven't addressed why you seem to dislike the thread jack. Do you want this board's content to be limited to basic uniform regs info and a listing of rooms available in P-Cola?

 

[wlawr005]

Nah sweetie...I just want you to stop acting like you're an expert on the aviation training pipeline in a thread about which fucking enlisted breast insignias a dude can wear in OCS. Stay in your lane and let dudes who know WTF is going on dish out the "expert" advice you fucking twerp.

Counterpoint, SEALs get a warfare pin prior to showing up at an operational unit.

I get what you're saying though Steve. For argument's sake, it would make more sense for pilots to get winged at the end of FRS when they are "tactically" trained. But it's really a moot point whether they get winged at the end of API, primary, or advanced because they have an actual training pipeline that doesn't allow them to show up in the fleet until they have attained a basic level of tactical competency.

SWO is truly jacked up in this regard. For all intents and purposes, the 12-18 months we spend getting a SWO pin is our equivalent to flight school/FRS. Where the SWO pin, like a set of wings on a FRS grad, signifies a "basic" level of warfare training.

 

[azguy]

For a prior enlisted O, I'm shocked how dull your comprehension is. To be clear, that's not a dig at priors, it's a dig at your intelligence. I'm certainly no expert at flight school and stated same earlier in the thread.

Now instead of adding value to this thread based on your 10+ years as both a prior enlisted dude and a flight student, you're acting like a little bitch when challenged on your meaningless post - a challenge you have yet to intelligently respond to like the college graduate I know you are.

I hope that I've caught you drunk or at a bad time because if your skin is this thin in real life, you will be swiftly crushed when you get to the fleet.

 

[Pags]

Probably so today, but back in the day, VF/VA crews were going down at such a rate, that the new arrivals from the RAG, had to be plugged immediately into the schedule. It was required to exccute the air/strike plan, without dangerously overstressing/fatigueing the rest of the Pilots. As I said before, the new inexperienced JOs came through brilliantly.

I know combat ops , and everything else is different today, that was long ago in a far away galaxy. I'm realizing now that my experiences are so dated, that I shouldn't even be posting in AW on subjects like these. No mas. Gomenasai!
BzB

Let me rephrase: if we were in a similar situation today, I'm sure requirements would be waived in order to accomplish the mission. And I'm sure the nuggets would rise to the occasion again as they have in the past during Vietnam, Korea, and World War Two.

 

[wlawr005]

Okay...I'm pretty damn sure I don't like you now.

 

[Brett327]

Hug it out, guys. We're all on the same team here.

 

[Renegade One]

Probably so today, but back in the day, VF/VA crews were going down at such a rate, that the new arrivals from the RAG, had to be plugged immediately into the schedule. It was required to exccute the air/strike plan, without dangerously overstressing/fatigueing the rest of the Pilots. As I said before, the new inexperienced JOs came through brilliantly.

I know combat ops , and everything else is different today, that was long ago in a far away galaxy. I'm realizing now that my experiences are so dated, that I shouldn't even be posting in AW on subjects like these. No mas. Gomenasai!
BzB

Yep. A different time, admittedly. Hope it NEVER comes again, but I do think the current FRS's actually plan for the possibility…and know who to send forward when times are shitty. Good for them….