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AF Officer to Marine? Interservice Transfer

Uncle Fester

Robot Pimp
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Super Moderator
Contributor
You're going to be DQ'ed from pretty much every 'action-packed' job if you're colorblind. It's not a BS pilot-weeding-out test, you kinda need to be able to tell red from green for everything from color coding on ordie to which side of an airplane you're looking at (you've seen the red and green position lights, right?). Plus, NAMI uses almost all the same tests that the AF does anyway, AFAIK.
 

bmather9

Member
Unfortunately I think many of you have the wrong impression of me. First of all, don't accuse me of signing up for the AF for the wrong reason. I'll admit to your diagnosis of Imabeapilotitis but you have to understand what happened to me. I have been ready to start pilot training, sitting at the UPT base for a month and just got DQed at a Brooks screening 7 days ago. All this after passing my FCI at Langley AFB previously, and having no clue that I am color deficient. I signed up knowing I may not get to be a pilot, and that then I'd try for Nav. Knowing I may not get Nav I hoped to try for CRO or STO. Knowing I may not get CRO or STO I hoped to try for a plethora of other jobs such as OSI, ABM, and my last hope was to use both of my Aerospace Engineering Majors (Bachelors and Masters) to be an engineer and someday be accepted to test pilot school as an engineer. Unfortunately I can't do any of those in the AF now except be an engineer with no hopes of going to test pilot school.

So here I am looking for help because my backups, backups, backup plan has been removed from my options. Forgive me for wanting excitement in my job by making it "action packed" but I really don't appreciate being mocked and ridiculed for it. I'll take whatever job in the military I am given and do it with pride but I contend that there is nothing wrong with trying to find something that I will enjoy more.

About the medical guidelines, as I said I never knew I had this condition and I passed the tests at my FCI. The AF has recently (2 weeks ago) put out new medical regs making the color vision tests more strict (12/14 instead of 10/14) and this is part of what got me DQed. It sounds like most of you haven't done much reading on the subject but there are numerous accounts of colorblind pilots that were allowed to continue flying. Everyone assumes my color vision is worse than a normal person's, but in reality there are colors I can see that you can't. So the words blind, defect, or deficient don't describe it well at all. This paper is full of arguments that could be used for loosening the standards on color vision to include better night vision, able to see quick movements, and better camouflage detection (http://www.sotos.com/writings/deutan_mission_specialists.pdf)

All that aside, the Navy/Marines do have drastically different tests from the USAF. In fact they only have one test in common the PIP1. The USAF then uses the PIP2, PIP3, F2 plate, Farnsworth D-15, and an anomaloscope. The Navy/Marines only use the PIP1 and the FALANT as a secondary if the PIP1 is failed. I am able to get 12/14 (multiple times) on PIP1 which is passing but all the other USAF tests were failed.

So in the future please try to understand the situation of someone who posts on this forum before you begin to provide false information, ridicule, and talk down to them.
 

Swanee

Cereal Killer
pilot
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Contributor
So in the future please try to understand the situation of someone who posts on this forum before you begin to provide false information, ridicule, and talk down to them.


In the future realize who you are talking to. You came here looking for advice and some winged aviators gave you their 2 cents. It's not your place to lecture these guys because you didn't like what they said....
 

snake020

Contributor
These guys are giving you the straight dope on what to expect if you try to transfer given your situation, not what you want to hear to console your feelings. Take a deep look if you want to be a Marine or are just trying to become a pilot, and if it's the latter then I suggest you get your PPL and don't waste the Corps' time.
 

bmather9

Member
I apologize and respectfully concede to this argument. I hope to be given an opportunity to show you my true intentions and fortitude in future. If anyone has further advice for me please let me know.
 

Clux4

Banned
I apologize and respectfully concede to this argument. I hope to be given an opportunity to show you my true intentions and fortitude in future. If anyone has further advice for me please let me know.

Air contracts in short supply these days if they are even available. We have too many in the pipeline...... so I hear. Check with your local OSO for good poop. With your engineering degree and Masters, the Coast Guard is an option. At least you have the option to compete for slots after your first year on the job.


Welcome to the club of alpha males!
 

JollyFlight

New Member
thread revival

I am a fully qualified HH-60G pilot in the USAF. How difficult would it be to transfer to the Marine Corps? Are we talking impossible? I know this is an old thread, but I appreciate any new info y'all might have!
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
I am a fully qualified HH-60G pilot in the USAF. How difficult would it be to transfer to the Marine Corps? Are we talking impossible? I know this is an old thread, but I appreciate any new info y'all might have!

Not impossible. A lot would depend on your specifics (age, TIG, PFT score maybe, etc). Even more would depend on the USAF letting you out of whatever commitment you still owe them. Look up the MARADMIN for interservice transfer boards. I think they have them once a year.
 

Duff_Man!

New Member
Thread revival; would the USMC let me submit a package before my commitment to the AF is up, or do I have to wait for my commitment to run out before I can even begin the 1.5+ yr transfer process?

Also, would it be a lot harder to get an air contract than someone coming out of PLC/OCS?
 

Carnivore

New Member
Another revival...

What about ISTs into the Marine Reserve? I understand the same board at HQMC reviews both active and reserve component IST packages, but do you first get "sponsored" or something by the reserve unit? I'm a prior enlisted Marine, presently an officer in the ANG. I'll be a Captain in 1 year from now, but could put the promotion on hold (so I'm told) in order to make the transfer as an Lt. Anyone have any info on an IST into the Marine reserve as an officer?
 

rlsmith

New Member
Air Force Transfer
Dose anyone or know of anyone that has done an inter-service transfer in the last year. It seems like I keep hearing the pipeline for pilots both Navy and Marines are backed up for pilot training. Dose anyone have any advice? Any help is always greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 

BACONATOR

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
You're going to be DQ'ed from pretty much every 'action-packed' job if you're colorblind. It's not a BS pilot-weeding-out test, you kinda need to be able to tell red from green for everything from color coding on ordie to which side of an airplane you're looking at (you've seen the red and green position lights, right?). Plus, NAMI uses almost all the same tests that the AF does anyway, AFAIK.

Except with respect to color-vision (what you're talking about). They use the Ishihara PIP test, yes. But Navy uses the FALANT test (I think AF ONLY uses plates), which I'm sure has passed more than a few color-deficient aviators, who would be DQ in the AF.
 

flaps

happy to be here
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Contributor
we had and air force transfee in one vmfa squadron i was in 40 years ago. his reason for the transfer,
he wanted to fly f-8's.
he did one or two crusader tours before transitioning to phantoms..he said it was the best decision he ever made.

i also seem to remember some navy wso's who were usaf transferees. (usaf f-4's to tomcats)
they were both happy as they were no longer treated as second class citizens.
 

statesman

Shut up woman... get on my horse.
pilot
Air Force Transfer
Dose anyone or know of anyone that has done an inter-service transfer in the last year. It seems like I keep hearing the pipeline for pilots both Navy and Marines are backed up for pilot training. Dose anyone have any advice? Any help is always greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Don't know about anyone who has done it recently, but there was a guy who used to post here from time to time a couple of years ago who went through the whole process. PM Master Bates if you would like to try to get in touch with him.
 
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