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AH-1s and FACs

FLY_USMC

Well-Known Member
pilot
Your saying you didn't see a riff when the resident 0802 came to class saying.."ahhhhhhhh the KING of battle" and then the resident air assets guy came to class and said.."ahhhhhhhhh my arse, 100lbs ain't crap, smallest we carry is 500lbs" and the ribbing continued the rest of the day? Shouldn't matter what you fly, stay true to your values, enjoy being around your Marines and taking care of your Marines, and whatever preconceived notions the other MOS' have about your MOS, will be squashed by the fact that you stayed true to what you learned and never forgot where you or the Marine Corps came from, which is unfortunately not aviation.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
Concur with everything that has been said in here as well. I agree about needing to define CAS to the grunts, as well as why it's Type 1, 2, or 3 CONTROL not CAS. I've been sent out to a company to essentially give LZ briefs. Not that I mind getting away from the AirO crap (read - MCCS officer, social officer, etc...) but they just don't seem to "get" it. I often joke that if there's a Delta 777 on the airways above the objective area, they HAVE to have a FAC.

I agree with you about Mongo out at MAWTS-1, I've known him since he was in HMM-261, and he's a great FAC/Air Officer.

Oh, and I'm not deployed. At least not until next week sometime...
 

Slammer2

SNFO Advanced, VT-86 T-39G/N
Contributor
Lawman said:
...There was the gunny giving some of us Air guys a bit of ribbing about what platform we were looking toward, especially the guys wanting TACAIR, statements like "all your ever gonna do is drop blue death."..."

That dude in the gym? I remember him running on about how the 130s where its at. Oh well, whatever makes him feel good...
 

Lawman

Well-Known Member
None
Slammer2 said:
That dude in the gym? I remember him running on about how the 130s where its at. Oh well, whatever makes him feel good...

Yeah that would be the one.
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
Just to let you know, when you "hand in your air contract", that's what you're doing. Period.

If you intend to go 0302 as your MOS, you have just as much chance as everybody else. I know a guy who did turn in his contract and went grunt. He was very happy about it. It worked for him.

There was a guy in the company ahead of me who handed in his air contract "to go grunt", and the next thing he heard was "Sound adjutants Call!!!". There is no "grunt contract", so be careful what you ask for.
 

phrogpilot73

Well-Known Member
gatordev said:
Shhhhhh! BEADWINDOW! Just kidding.
My thoughts on BEADWINDOW: I've never used it, except in the ready room. I've always thought that EVERYONE knows what the term "Beadwindow" means, so if we are being intercepted, it's simply a sign that whoever's listening should push "stop", "rewind", and listen to what was just said again. Obviously, if someone's yapping their trap incessantly, I might say something over the radio. However, most times you realize your own boneheaded mistake.

Now that my rant is over :), I just thought I'd throw some things that I've learned about being a FAC. Most of them are very simple.

TAD is just that, Tactical Air Direction - don't let the grunts plan to pass execution checklist items on it.
When your RTO asks if you want crypto loaded - say yes. Even if the confirmation brief said that everything will be single channel clear, after their RIO if all their crypto is working, Murphy states that they will go covered.
Explain type 3 control, again. They don't understand that it can be as restrictive as you want, I've found that if you explain the difference between type 2 (which they don't seem to have a problem with) and type 3 is that type 2 you are controlling each individual attack, and type 3 you are giving them the freedom for multiple attacks/reattacks, then they soften up a bit.
After you've been awake for 48 hours and a section of Cobras flies in front of a Mortar Position because they were following the terminal controller's instructions (which you copied incorrectly), don't kick them off the range because the FSC wants them gone. Put them in an HA and figure out what happened first.
http://www.customink.com is a great site for cheap cutsom T-shirts, and http://www.discountmugs.com makes cheap stainless steel coffee mugs. You're not on the hill all the time.
For some reason, the grunts want to stay awake to prove they can. Fight for crew rest as much as possible.
Bring your sleeping bag. No matter what, Murphy will decide to get you stuck somewhere, and a poncho liner just doesn't cut it sometimes.

That's all I can think of right now, anyone have any others?
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
phrogpilot73 said:
My thoughts on BEADWINDOW: I've never used it, except in the ready room. I've always thought that EVERYONE knows what the term "Beadwindow" means, so if we are being intercepted, it's simply a sign that whoever's listening should push "stop", "rewind", and listen to what was just said again. Obviously, if someone's yapping their trap incessantly, I might say something over the radio. However, most times you realize your own boneheaded mistake.

I tend to agree. I think I might have used it once for real in the cockpit, but not in the standard "BEADWINDOW" x3 method. More like, "Uh, BEADWINDOW?" More in the tone of voice of, "you stupid *******. Do you even think before you key the mic?" Only with more disdain. This was probably directed towards a Shoe TAO or P-3. Maybe both, just for good measure.
 

RLSki

CH-53 Crewchief
I agree with all of you on staying true to your values. Just remember one thing though, we would not have a job if it wasn't for that ground combat element. What we do as Marine aviators is support the ground force. You will find that along your path, that will tend to get forgotten. Try your best to remember why we are all here.

On the topic of T/M/S rivalry, you will find it no matter where you go. When us rotary wing guys chop to a HMM to comprise an ACE, it gets even worse. Everyone brings something to the fight one way or another. Even if your airframe is 40+ years old and you can only lift a stick of 10...just kidding...
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
They can lift 10 pax on a cold day, if they're only wearing their underwear and a helmet, and if they don't bring luxury items. Like ammo. Or chow.

Just feeding the rivalry.
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
The guy I work with is a frog (sorry, phrog) dude. He'd love this. We give each other MAX sh!t just to stay in practice for the MEU. He loves it when I call them "choppers".
 

RLSki

CH-53 Crewchief
I work at MAWTS-1 with all of the MAGTF assets in one building. We sure do know how to dish it out amongst each other. All in good fun of course. I learn more about every platform every day.
 
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