That you could both be considered right.
He said '89 and you said '91. The cold war ended during the period from '89-91.
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That you could both be considered right.
He said '89 and you said '91. The cold war ended during the period from '89-91.
That you could both be considered right.
Yeah, Jesus Christ, Scoob. Pick your battles.
Brett
Any particular reason you'd object to a hetero hug instead?
Brett
Yeah, I don't think the "real man list" said anything about hugs (hetero, of course, in this case). Are those good to go?
In Fall River, MA there is Battleship Cove. Docked there is the USS MASSACHUSETTS battleship, USS LIONFISH submarine, USS Joseph P Kennedy destroyer... but also the East German Soviet-Built Rudolf Eglehofer (now named Hiddensee), a Tarantul I missile corvette. It's WILD visiting this ship. It was given to us after the reunification of Germany and used by our Navy for realistic training, but then since retired.
http://www.battleshipcove.com/
MasterBates
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That place is EXCELLENT.
My great uncle Richard served on the USS Massachusetts in WWII. He had some wicked sea stories.
My great uncle Richard served on the USS Massachusetts in WWII. He had some wicked sea stories.
In Long Beach with the Queen Mary they have a Soviet Foxtrot class submarine you can tour. It was very interesting to say the least.
Unfortunately, yes - I know too well...Mefesto said:
Fortunately, there is the internet, which has a use (albeit minor) other than porn surfing:
http://webcom.com/~amraam/aakill.html
Note the comment in the notes below about "the only turning fight of the war." As usual with anything (other than porn) off the internet, there are the usual disclaimers about veracity / validity, but the author here seems to have made good use of authoritative open source data.
DATE CALLSIGN UNIT PILOT AIRCRAFT SERIAL/BUNO TARGET(S) ORDNANCE
17 Jan 91 PENNZOIL 63 58 TFS/33 TFW Kelk F-15C 85-119 MiG-29 AIM-7
17 Jan 91 CITGO 65 58 TFS/33 TFW Graeter F-15C 85-105 Mirage F-1
Mirage F-1 AIM-7
AIM-7
17 Jan 91 QUAKER 11 71 TFS/1 TFW Tate F-15C 83-017 Mirage F-1 AIM-7
17 Jan 91 ZEREX 71 58 TFS/33 TFW Magill F-15C 85-125 MiG-29 AIM-7
17 Jan 91 SUNLINER 401 VFA-81 Fox F/A-18C 163508 MiG-21 AIM-9
17 Jan 91 SUNLINER 410 VFA-81 Mongillo F/A-18C 163502 MiG-21 AIM-7
17 Jan 91 ? 390 ECS/366 TFW Denton/Brandon EF-111A 66-016 Mirage F-1 GROUND
19 Jan 91 CITGO 21 58 TFS/33 TFW Tollini F-15C 85-099 MiG-25 AIM-7
19 Jan 91 CITGO 22 58 TFS/33 TFW Pitts F-15C 85-101 MiG-25 AIM-7
19 Jan 91 CHEVRON 26 58 TFS/33 TFW Underhill F-15C 85-122 MiG-29 AIM-7
19 Jan 91 CHEVRON 25 58 TFS/33 TFW Rodriguez F-15C 85-114 MiG-29 GROUND
19 Jan 91 RAMBO 03 525 TFS/36 TFW Prather F-15C 79-069 Mirage F-1 AIM-7
19 Jan 91 RAMBO 04 525 TFS/36 TFW Sveden F-15C 79-021 Mirage F-1 AIM-7
24 Jan 91 ? RSAF: No.13 Sqn Shamrani F-15C ? Mirage F-1
Mirage F-1 AIM-9
AIM-9
26 Jan 91 CITGO 25 58 TFS/33 TFW Draeger F-15C 85-104 MiG-23 AIM-7
26 Jan 91 CITGO 26 58 TFS/33 TFW Schiavi F-15C 85-108 MiG-23 AIM-7
26 Jan 91 CITGO 27 58 TFS/33 TFW Rodriguez F-15C 85-114 MiG-23 AIM-7
27 Jan 91 OPEC 01 53 TFS/36 TFW Denney F-15C 84-025 MiG-23
MiG-23 AIM-9
AIM-9
27 Jan 91 OPEC 02 53 TFS/36 TFW Powell F-15C 84-027 MiG-23
Mirage F-1 AIM-7
AIM-7
29 Jan 91 CHEVRON 17 58 TFS/33 TFW Rose F-15C 85-102 MiG-23 AIM-7
29 Jan 91 BITE 04 32 TFG Watrous F-15C 79-022 MiG-23 AIM-7
2 Feb 91 RIFLE 01 525 TFS/36 TFW Masters F-15C 79-064 Il-76 AIM-7
6 Feb 91 ZEREX 53 53 TFS/36 TFW Dietz F-15C 79-078 MiG-21
MiG-21 AIM-9
AIM-9
6 Feb 91 ZEREX 54 53 TFS/36 TFW Hehemann F-15C 84-019 Su-25
Su-25 AIM-9
AIM-9
6 Feb 91 SAVAGE 01 706 TFS/926 TFG Swain A-10A 77-275 Bo-105 GAU-8
7 Feb 91 WICHITA 103 VF-1 Broce/McElraft F-14A 162603 Mi-8 AIM-9
7 Feb 91 CHEVRON 21 58 TFS/33 TFW Parsons F-15C 85-124 Su-7/17 AIM-7
7 Feb 91 CHEVRON 22 58 TFS/33 TFW Murphy F-15C 85-102 Su-7/17
Su-7/17 AIM-7
AIM-7
7 Feb 91 KILLER 03 22 TFS/36 TFW May F-15C 80-003 Mi-24 AIM-7
11 Feb 91 PISTOL 01 525 TFS/36 TFW Dingee F-15C 80-012 0.5 x Helo AIM-7
11 Feb 91 PISTOL 02 525 TFS/36 TFW McKenzie F-15C 79-048 0.5 x Helo AIM-7
14 Feb 91 PACKARD 41 335 TFS/4 TFW Bennett/Bakke F-15E 89-487 Hughes 500 GBU-10
15 Feb 91 SPRINGFIELD 27 511 TFS/10 TFW Sheehy A-10A 81-964 Mi-8 GAU-8
20 Mar 91 AMOCO 34 22 TFS/36 TFW Doneski F-15C 84-014 Su-22 AIM-9
22 Mar 91 ZEREX 21 53 TFS/36 TFW Dietz F-15C 84-010 Su-22 AIM-9
22 Mar 91 ZEREX 22 53 TFS/36 TFW Hehemann F-15C 84-015 PC-9 GROUND
NOTES
17 Jan: Magill. CPT Chuck "Sly" Magill was a Marine exchange pilot serving with the 58th TFS.
17 Jan: Fox. This continues to be listed as an AIM-7 kill in official records, but what actually occurred was that the pilot had accidentally had his arming switches set to HEAT when he initially pulled the trigger. This launched an AIM-9M, which does not have the characteristic smoke trail of the "Great White Wonder" Sparrow. When he did not see the smoke trail, the pilot checked his switches, reset them (assuming a weapons fault), and proceeded to fire an AIM-7. The AIM-9 got there first, however, and destroyed the MiG-21 before the Sparrow could get there.
19 Jan: Rodriguez. After Underhill shot the first MiG-29, both Rodriguez and Underhill had the remaining MiG-29 bracketed. In an attempt to dive into an escape window that had already closed, the Iraqi MiG-29 pilot attempted to execute a split-S from a starting altitude of about 2,000 feet. Rodriguez, who was the engaged low man, recognized the problem and took it upstairs; the MiG-29 attempted to follow through with the split-S and hit the desert floor.
The Underhill-Rodriguez engagement occurred as CHEVRON was clearing the six of CITGO flight, which had just killed its pair of MiG-25s and was retreating south to the tanker track. It is said to have been the only turning fight of the war. In post-war interviews, Rodriguez expressed his opinion that they had been extremely lucky in the intercept, since AWACS did not call the pair of MiG-29s approaching from the left beam until they were roughly 13 miles away. Prior to that call, CHEVRON had been unaware of the MiGs' presence.
26 Jan: Draeger-Shiavi-Rodriguez. This triplet of kills was a "textbook" BVR offensive sweep, with the four CITGO F-15Cs (the fourth was flown by Bruce Till) picking up four MiG-23s and bouncing three (one of them returned to H-2 early in the intercept, presumably because of mechanical problems). The targets were sorted and shot at by all four F-15s at over 13 miles (Till's AIM-7 arrived slightly after the others and thus he did not receive a kill credit).
29 Jan: Watrous. CPT Watrous was a 32nd TFG pilot detached to the 525th TFS/36th TFW during the war.
7 Feb: Parsons. COL Rick Parsons was the commander of the 33rd TFW, flying a 58th TFS aircraft on this date.
11 Feb: Dingee-McKenzie. This was a shared kill.
14 Feb: Bennett-Bakke. This was the famous laser-guided-bomb kill. The helicopter was on the ground at the time that PACKARD 41 released the GBU-10, but took off while the bomb was in flight. The WSO kept lasing the helicopter anyway, and the bomb guided straight through the rotor disc, destroying the Hughes 500 instantly. The kill was witnessed by a Special Forces team on the ground.
22 Mar: Hehemann. The PC-9 pilot ejected immediately after observing the immediately preceding Su-22 kill by ZEREX 21.
Sources: Gulf War Airpower Survey, Volume 5; Norman Friedman, Desert Victory; Robert Wilcox, Wings of Fury; World Air Power Journal, with additions from Doug Beal, Mark Bovankovich, Andreas Gehrs-Pahl, LTJG Joe Guerrein of VFA-82, Darryl Shaw, CAPT Dave Sveden (whose own air-to-air victory is among those listed here), and Colin Wells. All errors mine. In addition to the Coalition victories listed below, the GWAPS has officially listed the F/A-18C lost at roughly 0200Z on 17 Jan as being shot down by a MiG-25PD (having been previously listed as stricken by a SAM.) This remains Iraq's only air-to-air victory during the war.
Absolutelly incredible! . . . I guess not much "sport" in that war, eh?
I found this interesting
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/coverdesignations.html
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/coverdesignations.html
Zilch
This...is...Caketown!
That place rocks. When I was 12, I built a model of the USS Lionfish, which is still in my closet. When I was about 20, my family went on vacation up there, and I got to visit the actual submarine. Pretty surreal.
That, and I got lost in the bowels of the battleship and made my family late for their next appointment. Hehe.
I think you'd find it all quite familiar. The equipment may have changed (Western equip at least), but the fight mechanics remain the same. The fundamentals we teach/use today have really only adapted to changes in technology. That aside, it's all pretty much the same. We've got retired Phantom crews as well as old Hawkeye guys teaching in our sims as instructors for all our events. Fleet air defense hasn't really changed since the Cold War; and since most of the 3rd world still uses systems based on the old Soviet IADS model, strike warfare hasn't had to change much either. Only real new thing is adapting to changing threats like the China model.
With your background, you'd be all over it.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Mefesto said:
Unfortunatley, Uncle Richard died last year. He did go to most of the crew reunions though.