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All things MV-22 Osprey

A4sForever

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phrogdriver said:
No, it's not okay......
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I figured you would say something like that .... 'cause you are a good guy. ;)

I kinda see you guys on the leading edge (finally) of some "new" technology in aviation --- kinda like some of my former USMC buds (yes, I had a few ... don't like to talk about it :)) who left the A-4 community for the Harrier when it was "cutting edge".

Hope it -- and you -- both do well.
 
HeyJoe

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A4sForever said:
GREAT !!! I, for one, hope it finally works and works well .... but where's the guns???
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Funny you should ask.....Ospreys opted for a ramp gun after OEF lessons learned were evaluated. And now SOCOM is looking for an "all-quadrant" solution for their CV-22 variant of the Osprey.
 
HeyJoe

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"Thunder Chickens" underway!

More news on the deployment of the "Thunder Chickens".
 
phrogdriver

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A4sForever said:
Thunder Chickens?? "THUNDER CHICKENS" .... I can/could deal with "Warthog" ... but this???

The horror. The humanity ....
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As the story goes, the official nickname was/is "Thunder EAGLES." When the squadron flew CH-46s in Vietnam, the locals didn't have a word for "eagle," so they used the Vietnamese word for "chicken." The Marines found out about it, for some reason liked it, and it stuck for a while. At some point, heritage-minded Marines brought the 'Nam-era name back.

There's a similar story about the HMM-163 "Evil Eyes." They've had to go back and forth between the "official" nickname of "Ridgerunners" and the 'Nam-based (and much cooler) nickname "Evil Eyes."
 

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A4sForever

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phrogdriver said:
As the story goes, the official nickname was/is "Thunder EAGLES." When the squadron flew CH-46s in Vietnam, the locals didn't have a word for "eagle," so they used the Vietnamese word for "chicken.".....
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I'm not a Marine Helo historian .. but that sounds "familiar".
But still .... "Chicken"??? I weep ..... :)
 
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phrogdriver said:
There's a similar story about the HMM-163 "Evil Eyes." They've had to go back and forth between the "official" nickname of "Ridgerunners" and the 'Nam-based (and much cooler) nickname "Evil Eyes."
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They probably pushed for the Evil Eyes just to get away from the faggy horse.....:eek:
 
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BigIron said:
What's your point? That the Naval Aviation Enterprise needs to satisfy the NY Times' discerning audience before deployment?
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"The Naval Aviation Enterprise?" What the hell is that? Is it anything like The Starship Enterprise?
 
HeyJoe

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Nae

Nose said:
"The Naval Aviation Enterprise?" What the hell is that? Is it anything like The Starship Enterprise?
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LOL, you've been living in the NAE for some time now. It's the triad headed by CNAF and anchored by N88 on the right side of the base and NAVAIR on the left side of the base. Sound like a business? Well, it is being run with "enterprise" business practices and other warfare communties are adopting it by direction of CNO.

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Nose

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heyjoe said:
LOL, you've been living in the NAE for some time now. It's the triad headed by CNAF and anchored by N88 on the right side of the base and NAVAIR on the left side of the base. Sound like a business? Well, it is being run with "enterprise" business practices and other warfare communties are adopting it by direction of CNO.

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So, basically it is a high level flag pet project that everyone gloms onto for a couple of years and when he is gone, it fades away. I assume this was a Clark thing? He was full of business ideas, but never seemed to do much for us from a warfighting perspective.

Sounds like TQL/TQM. Anyone here old enough to remember that?
 
HeyJoe

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NAE, it's a good thing

Nose said:
So, basically it is a high level flag pet project that everyone gloms onto for a couple of years and when he is gone, it fades away. I assume this was a Clark thing? He was full of business ideas, but never seemed to do much for us from a warfighting perspective.

Sounds like TQL/TQM. Anyone here old enough to remember that?
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Couldn't be more wrong. In one aspect, the NAE codifies the informal relationship that always existed between the OPNAV Warfare Sponsor (N88), NAVAIRSYSCOM (and Program Offices) and CNAF. With reversal of senior aviator going from OPNAV (in 1992 timeframe) to senior of TYCOMs followed by lead/follow TYCOM under Clark, the day to day relationships at not only flag, but working level 0-6 and below were foramlizes under the NAE AND a War Council established that cuts through a lot of staff work and proverbial red tape. NAE is a good thing and it has many more aspects that go way beyond TQL/TQM (which had NOTHING to do with emergence of NAE as an entity).
 
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