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ASTB - Prep/Study Guide feedback

nativeofsandieg

New Member
I dont't have time to debate with u. But if u get stuck somewhere, getting help and not critism usually speedens things up. Stuck on an island? I create the smoke signal first - unless ur in enemy territory (is that where I am?). And I haven't gotten to one thing because I'm still studying on the other.

It all depends on how bad you want it. Seems like your first post about having problems with attention should belong on a ADHD forum rather than here.

"All I got is the internet."

That is all you need. There is more information regarding study help and ASTB/Gouge material than there ever has been in the history of the AFOQT or ASTB guides. I don't know this by experience, but by conversing with some of the older aviators. And too be honest if you don't find reading the FAA manual even mildly interesting, than maybe this isn't for you.

Depends on how much dough you have but maybe a touter could help. Higher a math major from a local university to help you understand the problems. This website has excellent guides, (http://www.purplemath.com/modules/index.htm), also a GRE/GMAT book helped me as well. I would suggest timing yourself over and over and over again, that is what I would do differently. Hope any of that helps...
 

chrisc

New Member
First time taking it, got 5/6/6 45. The score is not ideal, but counts as passing for the USMC. Now for the gouge:

Preparation: long story short, I only studied for about a week and a half. You should probably not do this, and give yourself at least a month. If there's one book you're gonna get, get the Barron's - it covers the latest ASTB format, plus has a nice long summary of all the info you need to know for all the sections (unlike the ARCO). That said, you should at least download the ARCO and go through the practice tests until you can memorize them. Definitely make sure you download all the gouge on here.

I also wound up purchasing the FAA Pilot's Handbook (you can d/l it for free though) - this could be considered overkill for what you need to know for the Aviation section, but you're gonna have to learn it all eventually anyway, so why not?

Math: this was the section that killed me - not because it was hard, but because I simply forgot how to work many of the problems! The last time I took math was as a junior in HS - and I graduated from college 2 years ago (did I also mention I studied art?). Anyway, if you know basic HS-level math (algebra in particular), you should be fine. Time is always of the essence though, so you have to pace yourself. Practice as many math problems as you can possibly stomach (and then do some more)!

Reading: seemed a bit harder than the Barron's/ARCO one. The passages were more convoluted, and I always felt there was more than one good answer among the choices. There's no real way to prepare for this, so do your best.

Mechanical: this was the other section that got me, and I really wish I had prepared myself more for it. I'd say the Marine gouge and the book guides cover about 70% of what's on there. Make you sure you know all the basic physics principles COLD, as there were definitely a few curve balls here and there. BTW, don't waste your money on any Mechanical Aptitude books as those are garbage, and most of the stuff they cover does not apply to the ASTB.

Spatial: this was the easiest part for me, having played so many video games and flight sims over the years. That all said, it was slightly trickier than in all the guides (this statement holds true for every section of the actual exam) - some of differences b/w the pictures were VERY slight, and when you're rushing through them it's easy to make a mistake. Once again, proper pacing is key!

Aviation/Nautical: having read the Barron's, the Marine Gouge, parts of the FAA book and chapters 1 and 3 of the "boat page," I felt like I destroyed this section. There was maybe one question I was unsure about (can't recall what it is now), and overall it seemed much easier than the study guides. As has been mentioned a thousand times before on here, knowledge of the principles of flight is key. For everything else, just know the basic ideas and concepts - you don't have to know them in depth.

Supplemental: composite of all the sections. Most of these were on the difficulty level of the "easier" questions from each section.

Got the book, practicing the tests. Hopefully I do well.
 

chrisc

New Member
It all depends on how bad you want it. Seems like your first post about having problems with attention should belong on a ADHD forum rather than here.

"All I got is the internet."

That is all you need. There is more information regarding study help and ASTB/Gouge material than there ever has been in the history of the AFOQT or ASTB guides. I don't know this by experience, but by conversing with some of the older aviators. And too be honest if you don't find reading the FAA manual even mildly interesting, than maybe this isn't for you.

Depends on how much dough you have but maybe a touter could help. Higher a math major from a local university to help you understand the problems. This website has excellent guides, (http://www.purplemath.com/modules/index.htm), also a GRE/GMAT book helped me as well. I would suggest timing yourself over and over and over again, that is what I would do differently. Hope any of that helps...

How did u guys pace ur studying? Because I try and I'm frustrated at the fact that I fall asleep studying. All I can think of is getting a tutor to assist.
 

Yardstick

Is The Bottle Ready?!
pilot
a big thing that helped me was that i made flash cards of key terms which i found in the prep books...if i was ever bored, i would just whip them out and quiz myself real quick. it was a great supplement to my regimented study...i would definitely recommend the barrons book, and i also thought the arco book was good too. the most important thing is to make a study plan and stick to it...if this is really important to you, you will make the time to study...
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
All I can think of is getting a tutor to assist.

Think about the end goal of flying a multi-million dollar jet past mach 1 on the deck, "oh wait, those were tomcats, ;) ". Just messing, but seriously you're thinking too much about the details. Think about the product of your hard work (studying) and maybe you can work past the small things that are hindering you. A ADHD forum might help you as well, seriously...
 

GreenLantern330

Active Member
Holy crap the ARCO books are freakin' expensive! I know there are other books out there, and I've taken into thought all the different personal study guides posted on AW, and all the other books everyone has talked about, but my OR said even though he's not allowed to endorse any study guide, one aviator told him to pass out a flyer of the book she used, which happened to be the ARCO book. Apparently she "blew her scores out of the water" after using ARCO to study. So, anyone know where to find a version of it that isn't between 90-100 bucks?
 

minnow

New Member
Greenlantern- I got ARCO astb book and the ARCO officer test book, each for about 20.00 with shipping. Neither has been used, which is helpful for a test booklet. I got them from half.com


As helpful as atrickpay's study guide has been, I have gotten stuck on a problem. (Sorry if this has been covered before, but I didn't find it through the search function). In the following math problem, atrickpay arrives at 3/10.

• A businesswoman spends 1/5 of her income for rent, and 3/8 of the remainder goes towards salary. How much does she have remaining.
• First take 1/5 away from 1, giving her 4/5. Multiply 4/5 * 3/8 = 12/40 = 3/10.
• 3/10 is the final answer


However, I keep getting 1/2 as the final answer, even though I've approached it different ways. I've realized through studying lately that my math skills are very rusty, so does anyone else know if this is an error on my part or atrickpay's?

Note: I thought it should go 1 - 1/5 - (4/5*3/8) = 1/2
 

fjd24

Flight time is good time...
pilot
Greenlantern- I got ARCO astb book and the ARCO officer test book, each for about 20.00 with shipping. Neither has been used, which is helpful for a test booklet. I got them from half.com


As helpful as atrickpay's study guide has been, I have gotten stuck on a problem. (Sorry if this has been covered before, but I didn't find it through the search function). In the following math problem, atrickpay arrives at 3/10.

• A businesswoman spends 1/5 of her income for rent, and 3/8 of the remainder goes towards salary. How much does she have remaining.
• First take 1/5 away from 1, giving her 4/5. Multiply 4/5 * 3/8 = 12/40 = 3/10.
• 3/10 is the final answer


However, I keep getting 1/2 as the final answer, even though I've approached it different ways. I've realized through studying lately that my math skills are very rusty, so does anyone else know if this is an error on my part or atrickpay's?

Note: I thought it should go 1 - 1/5 - (4/5*3/8) = 1/2


Atrickpay's solution is correct:

Because the problem is using fractions, we must convert the whole paycheck (1) to a fraction (5/5)

You then subtract 1/5 from 5/5 which gives you 4/5.

Then the problem states that the woman will put 3/8 OF THE REMAINDER (4/5) towards salary.

Simply multiply the two fractions (3/8*4/5=12/40)

12/40 Reduces to 3/10 (12 and 40 are devisable by 4)

I'm not sure how you got that equation, but don't over-think these problems. They are not high-level concepts.
 

minnow

New Member
My reasoning was you take away 1/5 from the total and then take away 3/8 of 4/5 from the total. Thanks for your help. The best advice is to not overthink the math problems, since that has been my biggest issue.
 

Brats01

New Member
Is Atrickpay's gouge considered official? I was emailed the document by my recruiter who said this it the only study aid endorsed by the Navy?
 

miki.mullen

New Member
Despite everyones comments I bought the Barron's book today...and returned it four hours later. I found three errors: two math questions had no right answer, and the axes of an aircraft were mislabeled (lat and long axis were switched).

Now I feel like I can't trust the content of the book. I only noticed the errors because I knew better. What about the subject matter that I don't know? It's essentially useless.

And Barnes and Noble in my town is sold out of the ARCO books.

:(

Btw, the one I bought was Barron's Military Flight Aptitude Tests, 2007 edition, ISBN-13: 9780764135170.

After buying the 2007 Barron's Military Flight Aptitude Tests book this post worried me. When I went to see if the lateral and longitudinal axes were mislabeled I realized that they definietely ARE NOT mislabeled. In the diagram the book is trying to explain that longitudinal stability works along the lateral axis and lateral stability works along the longitudinal axis. They are labeled in a funky way but if you read and understand the concepts of stability the diagram makes sense.

So dont be afraid to use the Barron's book!
 

Lucky3

P-8 Driver
pilot
I just took the ASTB yesterday. I have never flown a plane or played flight simulators. All of my gouge was found using google or links here. I only studied for a week and I got: 8-8-7-67

The most beneficial to me was: 1)The FAA handbook, chapter 4 is LONG and I did a bad job of reading the last 20+ pages. There was a few questions I would have gotten right had I paid more attention. I focused on chapters 2, 3, and 5. Looking back I would have looked at the instruments/gauges and helicopter section closer. There is more than enough information on weather and airport operations in the gouge.
2) Spacial Apperception: Google Spacial Apperception study guide. There is note card sight that has around 30 examples and some are the same as the ones encountered on the test (at least for test 3).
3) Gouge/word documents prepared on here and marine gouge: They prepare you for the history and nautical questions.
 

Acart

New Member
Hey all I was wondering if anyone has some suggestions on how to improve my abilities on the Spatial section of the ASTB, I have taken it once before didn't do all that well in my opinion ( 50 4/4/3) since then I have been trying to study my ass off ( though my last college semester took it out of me...20 credits and 20 hours of work...its a hoot) any suggestion?? The more I think of it the more I realize I need to be in the air!!
 
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