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USN ASW Nerds Rejoice!
- Thread starter ChuckMK23
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Yeah no. It’s not a binary thing where the only way to have high quality in manufacturing is to treat your employees like indentured servants, and the only alternative is to accept shitty products.
Quite frankly, having seen some of the consequences of shoddy work, I’m perfectly fine with the part about imposing severe personal costs or firings. God forbid we have personal accountability and responsibility in this country.
It does mean investing in the national industrial workforce (and actual $, not just empty platitudes) to actually incentivize them to be high quality workers.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
My point is that if your measure of effectiveness is Japanese quality of craftsmanship, then your measure of performance is a hereditary class system with abusive work conditions and low wages.
Americans will never get to this because our core cultural values reject these things.
Everything is speculation until it strikes. Equally, facts change, and I fear the facts are going to change for those with a non-STEM college degree. In just a few short years programs like Turbo Tax and HR Block have decimated the front line tax accountant field. Don’t get me wrong, I’m an historian, number two or three on the “endangered” list, but I’ve already seen the changes outside AI. The web allows me to conduct basic research from sources around the globe and my colleagues are having to write AI limits for papers in their class syllabus. Most mid-grade sit-down jobs that shift a regulatory piece of information from one spreadsheet to another will be gone within my lifetime. The impact on corporations will be even greater. I don’t mean to moly tomorrow, or two or three years, but in under twenty years the global work force will be dramatically different - and a Bachelor’s of Arts won’t count for much unless you want to teach.
That’s quite a leap. Care to elaborate on how you got there?
Plenty of French Lit, English and Phys Ed major airline pilots out there! Just saying. 😜
Sure…according to the BLS most people with a B.A. are currently working in business end retail, advertising and marketing, sales, business support, banking, and entertainment/leisure. AI is set to sweep away most of these sectors. Businesses will no longer need 50 people to enter, sort, and file “TSP Reports” (a pun, look it up), they will simply need a small technical team to manage the AI reports. AI is already having an impact on marketing and advertising, and business sales are changing in the same way (Amazon is now the fastest growing B to B in the US and is advertising the joy of not needing sales people). Programs like Betterment and Robinhood are gradually displacing in-person financial advisors and I can’t even remember the last time I went into a brick-and-mortar bank. AI mini-movies are now ruling TikTok (and yes they are bad) and that is clearly a canary in the coal mine for the entertainment industry. All of this means that the relatively recent drive to use a BA as the path to your first office job is going to get much narrower. As Forbes predicts, so e 90 million plus jobs will be eliminated by AI and about half of those will be in typical cubical type jobs.
Again, I’m not saying a degree is useless. I am saying that the big push of the last 25 years of higher education as a jobs program (especially with softer arts degrees) is slowly coming to an end. Soon enough people will get a BA to “round out their education” but it won’t be a guaranteed pathway to a cubical. Primary and secondary education, on the other hand, will probably remain a human endeavor.
They didn’t get that job because of their degree. I know airline pilots who’ve never been to college beyond an ATP program.
I see most degrees as table stakes in the job-hunting game. While you make some valid points, it’s also reasonable to assume the job market will reshape itself, just as it has for every major technological advancement in history.
I think you have kind of nailed it. The question is not how the job market shapes itself (I believe we are looking at the last generation of what I call the cubical class, mostly information workers) but how education shapes itself to meet the demands of the new job market. As jobs change will shorter, more focused certificates replace degrees? In other words, will a 60 hour certificate in “Agricultural AI Mechanization” be more valuable than a 120 hour Bachelor of Arts in History? I think yes. Liberal Arts aren’t going away, but their value in the labor market is going to shrink quite a lot.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Look, the only person I know who criticizes a college degree without having one is my brother, who makes between $300,000-350,000 to drive a ford explorer around town. Then he complains that his $18,000 per year property taxes are too high.
Everyone else has a degree and has amnesia regarding what that piece of sheepskin does for them.
I'm a millionaire because of my college degree.
What I tell my children is that you can't open doors in your youth, you can only close them.
If you decide to turn your nose up at college, you're never going to move up to the executive class of Americans.... unless you're part of the 0.000001% of cases we read about on the internet, to include a beat police officer in Suffolk County, NY.
No one here is saying you should turn up your nose at a college degree. I am saying that a liberal arts degree, and the jobs those degrees get you, isn’t going carry much weight in the future job market. By the way, my plumber is a multi-millionaire and he’s never seen the inside of a college class room. You worked hard to accomplish what you have, so did he. Hell, so did I. My point is that AI will shake up the job market and radically so, impacting several sectors from agriculture to the cubical workers.
I believe the correct spelling is “technologies” - at least according to maddog
Unrelated but related to ASW…
I was doing a joint ASWEX with the JMSDF P-1 squadron and we asked their pilots how they liked the transition from the p-3 to the P-1. Their pilots said “your plane: two engines very good. Our plane: four engines, very bad” lolol.
Didn’t get to fly with them so idk how nice the aircraft actually is, or what the reliability of their airframe/powerplant is compared to the P-8.
I was doing a joint ASWEX with the JMSDF P-1 squadron and we asked their pilots how they liked the transition from the p-3 to the P-1. Their pilots said “your plane: two engines very good. Our plane: four engines, very bad” lolol.
Didn’t get to fly with them so idk how nice the aircraft actually is, or what the reliability of their airframe/powerplant is compared to the P-8.
Not sure about the P-1, but I flew with JMSDF once on one of their P-3s. It had an old avionics suite but it was the cleanest aircraft I've ever flown on and everything looked like it was in mint condition. Very good crew, very disciplined and proficient with the systems they have. I'm glad they're on our team.