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Aviation Uniforms and Customs for the new ENS

Griz882

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Not sure when ball caps came into widespread Navy use...but here's a group photograph of personnel of the U.S. Navy Fighting Squadron VF-11 Sundowners at Naval Air Station Kahului, Maui, Territory of Hawaii, in January 1943. From April to July 1943, VF-11 would be deployed to Guadalcanal, its pilots downing 55 enemy aircraft in aerial combat. Three ball caps are in evidence:
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In the early ‘40’s the navy had an issue blue wool ball cap like the ones seen in @Renegade One photo. They were eventually replaced by a lighter HBT cap that was khaki.
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RobLyman

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I didn't see anyone wearing one in Jax at the FRS. I think a rumor spread at Pcola or 30 that it was something you earned by going on a full per diem deployment or getting qualified.
FIFY Well, because 'full deployment' and VP don't fit together.
 

Griz882

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I remember reading something in Faith of My Fathers about John McCain Sr. wearing a green "cap" with an officer's insignia on it as a combat superstition.

Is this the one?
Likely is. I imagine the many manufacturers of HBT considered “khaki” in the broadest sense of the word.
 

taxi1

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In the early ‘40’s the navy had an issue blue wool ball cap like the ones seen in @Renegade One photo. They were eventually replaced by a lighter HBT cap that was khaki.
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Was just getting ready to post that picture.

From The Bridges of Toko-Ri

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Pags

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1310 XO and Air Boss on my LHD had the blue USN caps and wore them around the ship in lieu of the command ballcap. Looked very old school cool and made us feel like we were extras in Bridges of Toko Ri.

I posted this over in the WHICH Brown Shoe thread 18mo ago to address how to "fit in." I was always a bit more of a uniform rebel and was happy to push the envelope a bit while staying within the spirit or the official rules and command climate. Some of it comes down to your own risk tolerance to get challenged but I personally felt it was worth that hassle to be a bit more "unique." I had Greens when they were an approved uniform and wore them to stand SDO in lieu of the required uniform of the day. No one who mattered ever had an issue with it but it always resulted in some interesting questions from folks who weren't familiar with the uniform.

I've told this one before, but one day on the LHD we had a short underway and the old SWOs decided they were going to have a "throwback day" and all the O4s+ wore their wash khakis. Air Boss and I, not being filthy shoes, wanted no part in wash khakis so we busted out our greens. Only one who was upset was the 1310 XO who was hurt that we didn't include him in our reindeer games and let him wear wash khakis. Anyways, getting underway on a straight deck carrier from a Japanese harbor while big band music played over the 1MC while wearing greens and a leather jacket was a very "Toko Ri moment" We didn't use Spads to spin the ship though.
 

Griz882

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1310 XO and Air Boss on my LHD had the blue USN caps and wore them around the ship in lieu of the command ballcap. Looked very old school cool and made us feel like we were extras in Bridges of Toko Ri.

I posted this over in the WHICH Brown Shoe thread 18mo ago to address how to "fit in." I was always a bit more of a uniform rebel and was happy to push the envelope a bit while staying within the spirit or the official rules and command climate. Some of it comes down to your own risk tolerance to get challenged but I personally felt it was worth that hassle to be a bit more "unique." I had Greens when they were an approved uniform and wore them to stand SDO in lieu of the required uniform of the day. No one who mattered ever had an issue with it but it always resulted in some interesting questions from folks who weren't familiar with the uniform.

I've told this one before, but one day on the LHD we had a short underway and the old SWOs decided they were going to have a "throwback day" and all the O4s+ wore their wash khakis. Air Boss and I, not being filthy shoes, wanted no part in wash khakis so we busted out our greens. Only one who was upset was the 1310 XO who was hurt that we didn't include him in our reindeer games and let him wear wash khakis. Anyways, getting underway on a straight deck carrier from a Japanese harbor while big band music played over the 1MC while wearing greens and a leather jacket was a very "Toko Ri moment" We didn't use Spads to spin the ship though.
“Where do we get such men?”
 

Griz882

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Also, there are rumors that someone who matched my description may have been seen wearing a leather jacket (with patches!) in lieu of the SDB jacket while standing Sea and Anchor on the way in to Sydney.
Too perfect...now I have to watch Sand Pebbles and Bridges at Toko Ri tonight!
 

Pags

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Rumor has it this is a picture of @Pags on said LHD deployment....standing, far left, wearing unauthorized leather ball cap.

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Definitely my spiritual predecessor! Let me also call your attention to his cowboy boots!

Turns out very few people notice if you wear cowboy boots with your uniform in tower...but those that do notice got a kick out of it.
 
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