Isn't it a bit early to be hitting the sauce and think about what you and the local knitting club are going to do this weekend?
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Blackhawk / CRJ-700 Midair
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Isn't it a bit early to be hitting the sauce and think about what you and the local knitting club are going to do this weekend?
I've only ridden into that RWY once in a jet, and it was after we held for a good bit due to X-winds out of limits for the main. It felt sporty with the low approach turn and jumping on the binders for the short Runway.
I can’t even imagine what key fumbles took place there. Freudian?
Still doesn’t make sense…why did the -60 turn toward DCA as indicated in the track log?
@Griz882 I suspect this will all come out in the NTSB work.
Personal opinion and without speculation - the DC helo route system remains mostly unchanged since the 80's - as JO, I flew from KNGU to the Pentagon helipad and JB Andrews all the time day and night via these routes. Common milk run. The volume of the traffic and types of traffic today are drastically different however. I foresee changes to the structure in terms of routes and operations and ATC procedures.
Personal opinion and without speculation - the DC helo route system remains mostly unchanged since the 80's - as JO, I flew from KNGU to the Pentagon helipad and JB Andrews all the time day and night via these routes. Common milk run. The volume of the traffic and types of traffic today are drastically different however. I foresee changes to the structure in terms of routes and operations and ATC procedures.
There is no doubt. I am totally speculating and will shut up, but I agree that Heli Route 4 will probably move east a bit (following I-295) to avoid DCA. But that means the flag o’s won’t get their pretty view down the river.
Would it not be easier to just restrict runway 33 to daytime operation only to avoid visual issues. My understanding is the other runways do not conflict with helo routes?
Or similar idea but opposite conclusion, could they just not approve the route 4 transition if RWY 33 were accepting arrivals? Kinda like how at Fallon, you can get the carrier break approved for the 31's unless there is helo traffic working the pattern/landing
That Juan dude can't even read a chart of where JBAB is. I watched his first video and came away pissed that (1) he can't read maps, and (2) he laid blame within 24 hours of a tragic mishap.
Does the show not instill the same respect for the dead and the scientific process of accident investigation before going off half-cocked to be the first to "bring the truth the people on the Tubes of You" ?
In the vacuum there are a lot of worse takes filling the narrative. Waiting a year for the full report will only entrench the dumb takes.
Juan Browne seems to bring at least credible experience to bear and is more measured than some other ahem, veteran commentators we can name.
The AOPA air safety institute also used to put out really informative and measured early analysis with the late Richard McSpadden. Seems like they have spun that back up.
It’s a spectrum of professionalism and silence isn’t a useful position in this information environment.
Please identify the actual value brought to the public or aviation by Juan's video.
For me, false information is always worse than absence of information.
I was an ASO, I know where you’re coming from. But it’s getting into the realm of hoarding information and protectiveness of the process that is rapidly being overcome by events.
The public expects immediate remedial action in the face of the first domestic fatal commercial accident in 16 years. Congress will take action well ahead of the NTSB final investigation. The FAA has already curtailed helicopter flights in DC. This discourse and decisions should be grounded in accurate, common basis of facts. Is that not an outcome of the NTSB preliminary report, to establish facts ahead of establishing cause and recommendations?
Ready rooms do not wait for the final safety report to adjust in light of mishaps. There is the definitive outcome of the investigative process and there is also trying to guide our current actions with the best available information we have at hand knowing that something awful just happened.
I don’t think it’s helpful to sling arrows at experienced people and demand their silence. When people ask me about what is going on, Juan Browne is a source I feel confident steering them to. I think he does an ok job sticking to the facts and firewalling speculation. Could he do better, sure. Not having experienced commentary to steer people to is a disservice to the public and their perception of aviation.
The public expects immediate remedial action in the face of the first domestic fatal commercial accident in 16 years. Congress will take action well ahead of the NTSB final investigation. The FAA has already curtailed helicopter flights in DC. This discourse and decisions should be grounded in accurate, common basis of facts. Is that not an outcome of the NTSB preliminary report, to establish facts ahead of establishing cause and recommendations?
Ready rooms do not wait for the final safety report to adjust in light of mishaps. There is the definitive outcome of the investigative process and there is also trying to guide our current actions with the best available information we have at hand knowing that something awful just happened.
I don’t think it’s helpful to sling arrows at experienced people and demand their silence. When people ask me about what is going on, Juan Browne is a source I feel confident steering them to. I think he does an ok job sticking to the facts and firewalling speculation. Could he do better, sure. Not having experienced commentary to steer people to is a disservice to the public and their perception of aviation.