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Blackhawk / CRJ-700 Midair

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
Super Moderator
Before we are too critical of pilots, maybe we should see who thought that crossing flight routes where 100-200 feet deviations would be fatal was a good idea .
Where else would the helicopters go?

Between USMC, USA, USAF VIP birds, USCG and CBP enforcing the ADIZ, and multiple federal, state, and local LE agencies, there are a lot of birds and only so many routes not over population—basically the major highways and the river.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
Where else would the helicopters go?

Between USMC, USA, USAF VIP birds, USCG and CBP enforcing the ADIZ, and multiple federal, state, and local LE agencies, there are a lot of birds and only so many routes not over population—basically the major highways and the river.
I’m willing to bet a dollar that I-295 becomes the new corridor. I can afford a dollar.
 

Ozarky

Well-Known Member
pilot
Turns out one of the Blackhawk pilots was a prior enlisted TACAMO AWV. He was well before my time but many of the senior officers and enlisted I spoke to had nothing but great things to say. RIP to one of our own.

His wife has publicly posted and made known that her husband was one of the Blackhawk pilots lost in the crash, hence me posting this.
 

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
I will say that POTUS has been completely irresponsibly and unhelpful in his clueless public speculation, especially in somehow blaming DEI with no evidence.
Sigh


One account wrote,: “So now that the pilot of the Blackhawk has been identified as Jo Ellis, a transgender woman, can we admit Trump was right about the entire thing, or is it too soon?”

I can understand why the family of the other pilot, a female, does not want her name released.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor

jollygreen07

Professional (?) Flight Instructor
pilot
Contributor
Turns out one of the Blackhawk pilots was a prior enlisted TACAMO AWV. He was well before my time but many of the senior officers and enlisted I spoke to had nothing but great things to say. RIP to one of our own.

His wife has publicly posted and made known that her husband was one of the Blackhawk pilots lost in the crash, hence me posting this.
Yeah, the dude was awesome. Did a bunch of trips with him… Really fucking sad.
 

PhrogPhlyer

Two heads are better than one.
pilot
None
A news article read on NewsMax stated that the -60 was on NVGs. I've not seen this anywhere since.
One undisputed fact is that they were above the 200' max altitude on Route 4 when north of the Wilson Bridge.
My thoughts are focused at evaluating a) the impact on visual identification of conflict aircraft due to NVG light source volume/saturation, b) combined with incomplete conflict aircraft call out ("CRJ" vs "CRJ at 11 o'clock"), and c)combined with ~200' above max route altitude.
I am looking at this as a prior DOSS who was part of the investigation team for two Class-A mishaps.
No where do I look for blame, rather causal factors.
One thing I often say to myself while gathering facts and developing causal factors is "How could this have happened to me?", never "I wouldn't have done that."

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croakerfish

Well-Known Member
pilot
A news article read on NewsMax stated that the -60 was on NVGs. I've not seen this anywhere since.
One undisputed fact is that they were above the 200' max altitude on Route 4 when north of the Wilson Bridge.
My thoughts are focused at evaluating a) the impact on visual identification of conflict aircraft due to NVG light source volume/saturation, b) combined with incomplete conflict aircraft call out ("CRJ" vs "CRJ at 11 o'clock"), and c)combined with ~200' above max route altitude.
I am looking at this as a prior DOSS who was part of the investigation team for two Class-A mishaps.
No where do I look for blame, rather causal factors.
One thing I often say to myself while gathering facts and developing causal factors is "How could this have happened to me?", never "I wouldn't have done that."

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Do we know they were flying this specific route?
 
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